[jakearoo1jak]

1. YOU DON'T NEED IT.
Windows Vista does almost nothing except add a few extra programs than XP and make it stylish. Sure, some games need Vista to play on. But you can always --> legally <-- download an XP patch.

2. WASTE OF MONEY.
Most Microsoft nerds will be drawn into its gravitational pull and loose their valuble money on a program that is almost the same as their current O.S.

3. EXPENSIVE.
It costs $200 for the cheapest Vista pack. You could buy two (maybe three) "Vista only" compatible games for that price and put them on XP and patch them.

4. UPGRADE.
If you have an older machine, you'll need to spend more money on an upgrade to make it compatible on your computer.

5. DRIVER SUPPORT.
Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment: while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

6. OLDER PROGRAMS.
Most older programs won't run on Vista, like anti-viruses, Nero and Sophos. Firefox has issues with Vista too.

7. MALICIOUS PROGRAMS.
Vista is new and untested, making it a perfect target for those nerdy comb-over-glasses-wearing-hackers who spend endless days exploiting Microsoft security holes. XP on the other hand has been patched to prevent malicious programs. And along with the fact that some anti-virus programs wont work on Vista, then Vista is a perfect virus target.

Please feel free to comment on this, and please think twice before you spend 20000 cents (makes it look like a bigger number) on Vista when you could be buying games, consoles or even sporting equipment so you can get away from your computer desk and out into the great, bland and non-high-tech outdoors.

[JohnWill]

Many new machines come with Vista, so you really don't get a choice.

[simpswr]

I recall seeing pretty much the same list when XP first came out ( and likely when Windows 95 came out )

[Bloodyskullz]

It will take at least 2 years for almost everyone to switch to vista. Microsoft is making as many updates as possible (or at least focusing on SP1) to fix as many holes as they can. I don't plan to switch to vista for as long as I can until 80% of the holes and stuff are fixed for vista. I just find it's to early for vista. I got my laptop (brand new) with xp. I told the rep not to give me the garbage OS.

[dugq]

For a bit of perspective

http://www.computing.net/windowsme/w...rum/15749.html

for what it's worth, personally I like Vista because of it's stability. It's been running almost 24/7 for the last 6 months without a single system crash, which is a massive improvement over XP. Certainly there are things that need to be sorted out but at this stage in it's cycle (less than a year after a release) it is a far closer to a finished product than either XP or OSX were.

[simpswr]

I have a half-dozen clients using Vista and I have it on one machine in the shop . . so far no serious issues with any of them. ( One client had not noticed that it was a different operating system . . just thought it was "cuter" .

Seems like the more updates come out the more stable and nimble it becomes. I 'spect SP1 will help a lot.

I am reccomending that folks not move to it until the first Service Pack is available, but as said above, it is not easy to buy a new machine with XP. I think Dell has a leg up on the other OEM's in that respect.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by JohnWill

Many new machines come with Vista, so you really don't get a choice.

I guess in this case, one could get a Mac instead.

Peace...

[jakearoo1jak]

( One client had not noticed that it was a different operating system . . just thought it was "cuter")
That was one of my points.

[simpswr]

Originally Posted by jakearoo1jak

( One client had not noticed that it was a different operating system . . just thought it was "cuter")
That was one of my points.

I see that as a positive . . not a negative. . She obviously did not think it was significantly different to get her knickers in a knott

[jakearoo1jak]

The point being all it does is make it "cuter". If your client couldn't tell the difference from it and XP apart from it looking better, then whats the point of wasting $200 on a near to useless program?

[simpswr]

The real point is . . It came on the new PC she bought . . She paid no more for Vista than she would have paid for XP. If it works as well for her as XP did, how can it be "near to useless"

[jakearoo1jak]

A bit slow arent you?

[JohnWill]

jakearoo1jak, I think you may want to cool your jets a little here. You may want to revisit the TSG Rules and note the section about personal attacks. Keep the discussion to the technical points.

[eduk8_me]

jakearoo1jak, I think you may want to cool your jets a little here. You may want to revisit the TSG Rules and note the section about personal attacks. Keep the discussion to the technical points.

I agree....everyone is entitled to there opinion and there's no need to attack someone over theres. Anyway Vista has some positives too. If i had the money for a new computer (unfortunately im poor at the moment so i don't ) i would have no problem with the computer using vista as the OS. It doesnt mean that i would upgrade my current PC to vista, its just too damm slow, but i guess everyone needs a new machine at some point so XP will eventually be phased out.

[Stoner]

I bought a new computer a year ago with XP so I wouldn't face a new OS and the bugs that go with it.
Might consider Vista when it's bugs are worked out as well as XP's were......when I buy my next new computer.....years from now.
Buying new seems to almost put people in as beta testers.

And the reports I've read of Leopard BSODing more than Vista are also entertaining