[Noyb]

I've read that .. But it doesn't make sense.
If you perform a Clean install on a separate HDD .. You can still boot to either HDD.
W7 will have its own Product key .. There is no link to the XP (or Vista) install.

[bengalsjim]

OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer. An OEM version of an OS is the version that a manufacturer, such as Dell, uses to do a factory install of the OS.

If you have a Dell or an HP OEM DVD, then it's created using SLP2...which means System Locked Parameters v2. An OEM DVD will check the BIOS for confirmation that the DVD is being used to install the OEM DVD on the Manufacturer it's created for.

Any OEM DVD will install on any system, but after 30 days or so, you start getting a message that the copy of Windows is not genuine.

Some OEM DVDs are not specifically tied to a particular manufacturer, and you can buy them and install them on any system. This is in violation of the licence with the package which says that it must be sold and used only on a new system.

bengalsjim

[DoubleHelix]

Originally Posted by Noyb

I've read that .. But it doesn't make sense.
If you perform a Clean install on a separate HDD .. You can still boot to either HDD.
W7 will have its own Product key .. There is no link to the XP (or Vista) install.

It's a licensing issue, not a technical one. Technically you can set up a dual boot system with Windows XP and Windows 7 using an upgrade disk, but it's not legal.

[PantherM120]

Why are we so stupid to accept yet more Windows bloatware. 3 Gig for XP, trash for Vista and am I hearing 14 gig for Windows 7? No way William Gates; I'm just sorry microsoft went past Win3.11. At least you could get into Dos and get rid of rubbish files easily.And you didn't need umpteen hundred Gigabytes for anything else.

[bbearren]

Originally Posted by DoubleHelix

You need a full retail license to dual-boot. Windows XP cannot be installed if its license was used as a qualifying product for a Windows 7 upgrade.

I said nothing about an upgrade.

Also, XP was installed first. I installed Windows 7 as a dual-boot on my hd1 (which places some boot files on hd0). The two coexist nicely, and I have full access to all drives (3), files, and partitions from either OS.

I use BootIt NG which has no difficulty at all in making an image file of Windows 7. BootIt NG can also directly edit the BCD file(s), and I use BootIt NG as my boot manager, as well.

[TerryNet]

Originally Posted by PantherM120

Why are we so stupid to accept yet more Windows bloatware. 3 Gig for XP, trash for Vista and am I hearing 14 gig for Windows 7?

I assume that you are referring to my statement for Windows 7 size. That's after I have installed half a dozen gadgets, Thunderbird, Firefox, a malware application, some Windows Live stuff, etc. Data (Documents, Music, Pictures), however, is in a different partition.

[DVOM]

"You need a full retail license to dual-boot. Windows XP cannot be installed if its license wa s used as a qualifying product for a Windows 7 upgrade."

It seems like many people on here imagine that they are lawyers specializing in intellectual property and everyone else is a thief. The assumption of intent/ theft is jumped to immediately. Evil lurks in every question, all posters are suspects.

Of course, this will be vehemently denied, yet the behavior/ assumptions/ suspicions won't change at all.


Criminy, You guys need to shut off your computers once in awhile and go outside and play.

[arcticphoenix]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbearren
I installed Windows 7 as dual-boot with XP. There is no Windows.old. I used the settings transfer wizard and a USB thumb drive to get Windows 7 up to speed.

As I install compatible programs on Windows 7, I can then copy their data files to the Windows 7 installation. Those that aren't compatible, I can still run on XP.

Makes for a smooth transition.

You need a full retail license to dual-boot. Windows XP cannot be installed if its license was used as a qualifying product for a Windows 7 upgrade.


thats why i couldnt dual boot xp/w7 eh? my older HD was just the slave drive. was wonderin why it was just the G: drive after booting my system up. sooo...backup files AGAIN...swipe drive clean install xp(without using my xp key) then upgrade to w7(using w7 key?)

[TerryNet]

Is it not the case that you have Windows 7 installed and working OK, and your issue is that you are now using 240 GB and think it should be more like 120 GB?

Have you looked at the size of the C:\Windows.old folder? How big is it? There is no point in doing additional installs if you can accomplish the same goal by deleting most or all of that folder.

[PantherM120]

Eh? Was the last comment addressed to me? All I said was that Windows 7 was yet more Microsoft Bloatware and that I regret the good old days of Win 3.11, if anyone else can remember them. When all you needeed was a massive 1gb hard-drive (if you could get one) and a massive 16RAM, plus a few floppies for A drive (What's that? I hear you say). And before the Internet when people knew how to write proper letters (what's a letter? Well it's something for which you need to be literate to understand) and companies, universities and government departments didn't fob you off with lousy websites when you wanted information. And human beings answered telephones.

[TerryNet]

My last post was directed at arcticphoenix; you remember him, right? The OP who is still trying to wade through all our verbiage to get some direction.

I could reminisce with you, PantherM120, about Windows 3.1 or maybe Commodore 64 and floppies that really were floppy but it would be a terrible example for me to get that far off topic.

[PantherM120]

Ta, I like steam trains too.

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by DVOM

"You need a full retail license to dual-boot. Windows XP cannot be installed if its license wa s used as a qualifying product for a Windows 7 upgrade."

It seems like many people on here imagine that they are lawyers specializing in intellectual property and everyone else is a thief. The assumption of intent/ theft is jumped to immediately. Evil lurks in every question, all posters are suspects.

Of course, this will be vehemently denied, yet the behavior/ assumptions/ suspicions won't change at all.


Criminy, You guys need to shut off your computers once in awhile and go outside and play.

Well, I think more to the point, those of us who are Microsoft Channel Partners, System Builders, Developers, etc. are anxious to avoid violating MS licensing restrictions. Also I think most folks prefer to keep their software legal too. Microsoft licensing can be confusing, and some of the provisions aren't actually enforced, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by PantherM120

Eh? Was the last comment addressed to me? All I said was that Windows 7 was yet more Microsoft Bloatware and that I regret the good old days of Win 3.11, if anyone else can remember them. When all you needeed was a massive 1gb hard-drive (if you could get one) and a massive 16RAM, plus a few floppies for A drive (What's that? I hear you say). And before the Internet when people knew how to write proper letters (what's a letter? Well it's something for which you need to be literate to understand) and companies, universities and government departments didn't fob you off with lousy websites when you wanted information. And human beings answered telephones.

I remember the good old days of CP/M and no hard drives The OS could address a whopping 64K of RAM. First hard drive I ever bought was for a Leading Edge running MS-DOS. It was a 20 megabyte Fujitsu and it cost me $750 bucks. Personally, I've come to enjoy computer based video editing. Kinda like Borderlands, The Witcher, and Bioshock too. Sorry, but I'll accept greater size and complexity in return for greater capabilities.

[bbearren]

Originally Posted by arcticphoenix

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbearren
I installed Windows 7 as dual-boot with XP. There is no Windows.old. I used the settings transfer wizard and a USB thumb drive to get Windows 7 up to speed.

As I install compatible programs on Windows 7, I can then copy their data files to the Windows 7 installation. Those that aren't compatible, I can still run on XP.

Makes for a smooth transition.

You need a full retail license to dual-boot. Windows XP cannot be installed if its license was used as a qualifying product for a Windows 7 upgrade.


thats why i couldnt dual boot xp/w7 eh? my older HD was just the slave drive. was wonderin why it was just the G: drive after booting my system up. sooo...backup files AGAIN...swipe drive clean install xp(without using my xp key) then upgrade to w7(using w7 key?)

Install XP using your XP key.

Then clean install Win7 (to a different drive or partition) using the Win7key. After the clean install of Win7, do an upgrade install of the Win7 (not the XP). Windows 7 will use itself as an installation of a previous version of Windows.