[mrrb]

Originally Posted by allheart55

AllHeart55

is that a pre-install of Vista next to your name by any chance?

Great theme for this thread, I'd say!

K

[williamrobinsonb]

It is not necessary for me to droll through the vast list of vista problems that I have experienced running mixed networks wan and Lan linking mac vista linux xp and one old very old win2000 pro file/ print server
By the way the old win200pro server runs without a hitch, well I had the fan replaced on the power supply,
The recurring problems seem to be vista related.
A functioning reliable network is what im after and vista isn't as fast or reliable on any network that i have,
and just junking everything that microsoft has sold us to replace it with technology that is showing itself to be unreliable is out of the question.
You want specks on crashes and network instability try networking 500 of your vista boxes together yourself.
Im asked every day,
Why doesn't this work,
Why doesn't that work
Why is the network so slow
Why wont it print
Why cant I do this or run that and the answer is are you running vista well that is why
Everyone running xp or mac or linux isn't having this problem
so enjoy your flashy icons but when you want to do some real work go next door and use the secretaires xp until I can get someone over hear to get this crap of of your computer.

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by mrrb

Rich M- You are right "There is absolutely no comparison." There is absolutely no comparison when you use an invalid comparison.

Sue

Not invalid...williamrobinsonb was talking about a 1.8 gb P4 on XP with 256 ram being faster than some mythical Vista machine he has yet to tell us about...so I used 2 pc's that are quite valid.

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by williamrobinsonb

It is not necessary for me to droll through the vast list of vista problems that I have experienced running mixed networks wan and Lan linking mac vista linux xp and one old very old win2000 pro file/ print server
By the way the old win200pro server runs without a hitch, well I had the fan replaced on the power supply,
The recurring problems seem to be vista related.
A functioning reliable network is what im after and vista isn't as fast or reliable on any network that i have,
and just junking everything that microsoft has sold us to replace it with technology that is showing itself to be unreliable is out of the question.
You want specks on crashes and network instability try networking 500 of your vista boxes together yourself.
Im asked every day,
Why doesn't this work,
Why doesn't that work
Why is the network so slow
Why wont it print
Why cant I do this or run that and the answer is are you running vista well that is why
Everyone running xp or mac or linux isn't having this problem
so enjoy your flashy icons but when you want to do some real work go next door and use the secretaires xp until I can get someone over hear to get this crap of of your computer.

Maybe you need some help with your network? I have 5 pc's, 2 Vista and 3 XP that all read each other and transfer files, all access the internet and all access a laser printer on an Iogear print server attached to a Linksys WRT 350N router. They have all worked from day 1 without any problem. Now I don't use wizards be they Windows or any other and I manually configure everything so maybe you need to seek some outside support to get squared away.
And the reason you need to spell things out, is you are raising such a fuss, and this is the first reason you have actually given us. If you wish to blame Vista or Microsoft for you own inabilities, you need to spell out your problems and perhaps if you sought help on them, you would learn how to handle them in the future. It is so easy to blame everything around you for your own inadequacies, but it is ludicrous to think for one minute that Vista is slower than XP.

[DaveA]

We have a 4 machine network, 2 Vista Home Premium Sony laptops, and 2 Sony desktops, one with XP Pro SP2 and the XP Home SP2. The desktops each have a HP printer attached and shared, a HP Lazerjet 2100 and the other a HPDeskjet 1220c.
The hard drives are shared so we have file access to all of the drives except for the different "User My Documents" which are designed NOT to be shared.
We are running F-Prot and Free ZoneAlarm wirewall on three of the machines and OneCare on one of the laptops.
We have no problems in accessing files and printers since day one. We connect to the internet using a cable modem and router. We get great speeds.
We take the laptops to many places and have yet not found a public WiFi that we can not connetct to.

[williamrobinsonb]

at my personal home this is what im running
lynksys54g wireless router with linux bios
1 vista laptop
2 linux network servers
4 xp desktops
1 xp laptop
all sharing 2printers
4wired the rest wireless
and all working together
plus 2 wired xboxes
I didnt say that vista would never find the network I said that it isn't as fast or as reliable as xp on the same hardware
simple enough for even you to understand
vista on the network without tweaking is not as fast as in xp and will often drag networks down.
vista is not as reliable as xp
vista cant run software as fast as xp, and im not talking about loading it , im talking about how it runs after it is loaded.
vista crashed its own desktop on the new laptop the very first day several times
vista struggles with drivers for hardware
vista denies software updates unless ordered not to
I have used vista from when I downloaded and installed the first beta, its a Occupational thing.
im using 1 modern vista laptop at home at the moment because I left mine at home while on a business trip and needed to do some work at the hotel so I dropt about 2000$ on a laptop that I could only get in vista because the vendor had sold out of xp.
I keep it to let my kids serf the web but they would rather use the xp or the linux pc
the vista one can only work half as long as the xp one of the same model because of the extra power drain of the os running the same applications.
I switched the Batteries and the same thing.
if i don't run the vista laptop docked then it isn't worth turning on.
and if i record a high def dvd from the kids party than vista wont let me see it until i downgrade it to the point that it is no longer high def.
at this point it is not worth my time.
nor my companies time.
and i am advising my friends to stay away from it to.
I would show you a High-definition DVD video of my last deep sea trip but it wont do you any good you cant see it in vista. do you have a High-definition dvd player?

If the man wants to install xp more power to him.
I would do it for him.
I understand because im not blinded and brainwashed by the microsoft mantras being spewed out saying just wait it will be fixed soon look at what you are giving up.
your giving up the future.
the bleeding edge os vista is to bloody for me.
I will get it after they trim the bloat out, fix xp compatibility mode and fix the backside network that every thing is logged into.
and when the desktop stops crashing itself.
you know when they fix it so it will do everything they promised it would.
they probably will get away from the bad press and call it windows scenes or something to com the nerves of the disenfranchised.

[crjdriver]

Dave I have a similar setup; two vista machines and one win2k sp4 machine. All systems "See" each other, transfer files, etc. Each machine can print to a printer connected to another machine, etc.

I seem to remember these same arguments when xp was released; it does not work with my hardware, it is not as stable as win9x, it is not as fast, no drivers available, etc, etc, etc.

Now it seems everyone loves xp; go figure.

When the next os is released, I suppose everyone will want their vista back

I guess some people still drive a car with a hand crank since that electric starter just does not work, it is unreliable, etc.

[allheart55]

Originally Posted by mrrb

AllHeart55

is that a preinstalled of Vista next to your name by any chance?

Great theme for this thread, I'd say!

K

I have to assume you mean my avatar? That is actually (in my mind) my first PC running Win 95. I had a love-hate relationship with "my first" Dell. You asked "is that a preinstalled of Vista next to your name by any chance? Great theme for this thread, I'd say! " I have to say, " No way, How 'bout this one?


I have no problems with Vista, it's like everything else, takes a little getting used to. I'm running Win XP Pro on my desktop but I recently ordered two Dell notebooks, one with Vista Premium and the other with Win XP. I take a laptop with me when I'm working on someones computer, I'm finding it a little easier to connect to the internet at someones house with the XP. I'm still finding my way with Vista in some areas, that being one of them. It's not an issue at home, just seems to be elsewhere, I have Comcast at home with 2) Desktops one wired, XP Pro and one wirelessly, Vista and 4) notebooks with wireless connections. When I have attempted to connect my notebook (Vista) at someones house with a different ISP such as (Verizon) I have run into some real Vista attitude !! My grandaughter inherited my old Vista notebook and hasn't had any problems or complaints with the Vista. (Suprised me, she complains about everything!)

[williamrobinsonb]

i like what chris has to say
http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/03/03/...s-vista-vs-xp/

[mrrb]

Originally Posted by williamrobinsonb

i like what chris has to say
http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/03/03/...s-vista-vs-xp/

I can agree with you on that william rob. I don't like how he looks at things sometimes, but he is out front center, and what made him popular is he can't be bought.

The guy speaks his mind no matter what.

The other side is that when he speaks on a topic, 99% of the time he has been right when it comes to technology. So people listen.

I regret not looking over his reviews when i brought that vista machine. Had I known what I know now, when the merchant said they had no machine except 1 for 3 grand (not in my budget, I would have gotten a MAC, and then looked around for a used XP machine instead.

Oh well, hindsight is 20 20,

Thanks for bringing that back to the fore.

K

[mrrb]

allheart55,

LOL to you also. Sure looks like Vista for me, though! I know what you mean by Vista attitude though.

I have had Vista too long now(7 months, it is a pain). Time to convert to XP for a reliable experience.

Thanks for the humor enjoyed it greatly!

K

[deblikestopaint]

To Rich-M,
You seem to know what you're talking about. I would prefer to not reload XP over my Vista. My question is how to make sure that I have saved a usable file of my contacts, email and calendar from Outlook. I wasn't able to use the file I had saved before my hard drive crashed. Outlook isn't allowing me to save a .csv file for my contacts... I would greatly appreciate knowing how to create a file that would actually be usable if something were to happen. Even my PDA isn't working with Vista. I belive it's too old and Palm isn't giving a new driver for it to work with Vista. It was my dependable backup. Thank you, Deborah

[DaveA]

With Outlook open then select Contacts, all one needs to do is Go to the menu, then "File, Import or Export, then Export to File (Next) and then Select the file type" (I use Excel), then make sure that Contacts is selected, (Next) and you will see where it is being saved and what file name.

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by deblikestopaint

To Rich-M,
You seem to know what you're talking about. I would prefer to not reload XP over my Vista. My question is how to make sure that I have saved a usable file of my contacts, email and calendar from Outlook. I wasn't able to use the file I had saved before my hard drive crashed. Outlook isn't allowing me to save a .csv file for my contacts... I would greatly appreciate knowing how to create a file that would actually be usable if something were to happen. Even my PDA isn't working with Vista. I belive it's too old and Palm isn't giving a new driver for it to work with Vista. It was my dependable backup. Thank you, Deborah

Dave A is right on it's a "File" "export" situation ...if you can export to an external hard drive, that would be the best of all. When you reinstall, you then "import"....

[jmwills]

If you have Outlook, when not create a .pst file to export? That is generally the preferred file format for Outlook.