[tamnhinv5]

Dear All,
I am using a HP Pavilion Tx 1115 nr, which was installed with Vista. I would like to install XP instead. I am searching for the XP drivers. If any of you know where there is, plz help.

[DaveA]

Have you tried http://www.hp.com?
And searched on your model?

[tamnhinv5]

@ DaveA: I did. But there is just drivers for Vista. I think I have to look somewhere else. Vista is beautiful but I am in love with XP.

[DaveA]

If HP has NOT made them, then you will most likey not be able to find any. There are not to many people that make third party drivers.

[Gswiss]

I really do not appreciate DaveA's attitude on this forum which is unacceptable from a senior member. We are here to help each other honestly. He probably has ties with Microsoft since he is trying to deter people wrongly from switching to XP when one has a pre-installed Vista on a machine. To date, i have had absolutely no problem in installing xp or windows 2000-SP4 on NEW machines (Dell, HP, etc.).

If HP do not show any drivers for some of their pc's or laptops, it's only because they work hand-in-hand with Microsoft. Pc manufacturers had a bad time in 2006 to sell their machines and were "saved" by the release of Vista and the so-called novelties in that System. Just a classical snow job for the misinformed.

Please go to the following thread where DaveA has already attempted to discourage users and where I give an example of drivers available from manufacturers although HP do not provide them:http://forums.techguy.org/windows-vi...ml#post5211394

[DaveA]

Yes, you just MAY find all the drivers you will need, but make sure that you have them BEFORE trying to do the OS change as some MAY prevent you from completing the XP install and put you in a loop.

Gswiss has pointed out that I do (and I will continue to) discourage the replacing of Vista with XP. One will find that not only will this cancel the warranty and support from the OEM, but you may not be able to reinstall Vista if you wanted to. Most of the OEM's work hand in hand with Microsoft to develop their hardware and help MS develop the OS. One will also find that MOST of the device suppliers also work with MS and their computer OEM's to provide a solid product. One will find that some devices may never be able to work with a NEW OS, as the maker has decided NOT to provide drivers for their old products. Also some new devices will will never work on an old OS, have you tried getting a USB to work on a Windows 98 orginal release? It will only work on 98 SE and better[grin]

I believe most OEM's when they say they will not support a device on a certain OS

[Gswiss]

Originally Posted by DaveA

Gswiss has pointed out that I do (and I will continue to) discourage the replacing of Vista with XP. One will find that not only will this cancel the warranty and support from the OEM, but you may not be able to reinstall Vista if you wanted to.

If you refer to the different threads on this topic, you'll note that most recommendations (including mine) are for installing a Vista/xp dual boot installation because of this warranty threat, not necessarily a replacement of Vista. This depends on the manufacturer.

All Windows systems support a dual boot facility. You just require a minor adjustment at installation time when you want to implement an older Windows after a more recent one, which is the case here. This is described in multiple forums.

[Gswiss]

Originally Posted by DaveA

One will also find that MOST of the device suppliers also work with MS and their computer OEM's to provide a solid product. One will find that some devices may never be able to work with a NEW OS, as the maker has decided NOT to provide drivers for their old products. Also some new devices will will never work on an old OS, have you tried getting a USB to work on a Windows 98 orginal release? It will only work on 98 SE and better[grin]

Sure they work hand in hand with Microsoft. That's fine. But, the main point is that practically all NEW devices support Windows 2000 and xp, in some cases Windows 98SE which is still used by about 15-20% of the pc population.

Device manufacturers aren't dumb. They want to sell their new products to the hundreds of million of people who still run with those Windows systems. The average user does not need vista to browse on the Web, to send an e-mail, to use VOIP, to listen to music, to copy a dvd, to print his artwork, to write a letter or a bill, etc. He's not getting his money's worth with Vista.

[jmwills]

If you have a machine that came with Vista, you can use the Vista drivers and run them in XP Compatibility mode.

[Gswiss]

Originally Posted by jmwills

If you have a machine that came with Vista, you can use the Vista drivers and run them in XP Compatibility mode.

How do you activate the XP Compatibility mode? For example, if you get a "disk not recognized" message when installing xp, you would need the chipset driver for the disk controller when you reach F6.

[DaveA]

"Device manufacturers aren't dumb. They want to sell their new products to the hundreds of million of people who still run with those Windows systems."

This NOT a Vista issue but a issue with the OEM's. So why spend money for a Vista machine and then spend more just to run XP. If one was to spend the time learning to use Vista instead of trying to find everything needed to install XP, they could be running Vista.

[Gswiss]

Because pc manufacturers are trying to discourage people from running with xp. Practically all pc manufacturers offer Vista and not xp because they get a better deal from Microsoft that way. Acer still has pc's with xp and apparently, because of the reluctance of users towards Vista, IBM (now Lenovo) will probably be offering more pc's with xp in the near future.

[jmwills]

They are NOT trying to discourage people from using XP they are trying to ENCOURAGE them to buy new PC's! Why go buy an OEM copy of Vista and pay and pay full retail when you can buy a new PC with it already installed??????

The cost to the PC makers for XP was somewhere around $25 and I would think that Vista is not that far off from that number either. So, the move to a new PC is not that much of a stretch when you consider paying $250 for Vista at retail or $500 for a new PC with it installed.

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by Gswiss

Because pc manufacturers are trying to discourage people from running with xp. Practically all pc manufacturers offer Vista and not xp because they get a better deal from Microsoft that way. Acer still has pc's with xp and apparently, because of the reluctance of users towards Vista, IBM (now Lenovo) will probably be offering more pc's with xp in the near future.

Even if this were true, and I know you don't know it for a fact, so what? We cannot run around telling businesses how to operate and make money, and certainly not on a tech support forum.
I agree with Dave in that whether Windows Vista is perfect or not, Microsoft is the primary provider of operating systems, and they have moved on for a series of reasons that does not concern the average user, but has to do with future development in technology. I also believe some of the reasons have to do with making money, but isn't that what businesses have to do to survive.
Frankly I am really tired of people second guessing companies like Microsoft, and accusing users who profess positive opinions and presuming to tell them how to run their businesses, but the option is always there for gswiss to buy a controlling share of the company and change the direction towards not making money if that is what he prefers.
Windows Vista has come a long way since February 2007, and runs very smoothly now in most environments. Sure there are occasional problems with old hardware and networking, but patience and common sense will guide us through that and that is half the reason free forums exist today. And we cannot keep our "fingers in the dyke" forever without coming up for air, so how about letting technology advance, because that is part of what it is.

[Gswiss]

I am all for people or companies making money. The only point I am trying to defend is that the average pc user has no need for Vista and he will be losing a great deal if he does drop xp. I don't care about Microsoft and its attraction by gurus, I'm only defending my own interests which are the same as millions of average users.