[Compiler]

Originally Posted by steveie85

Sorry I do apologize, your right, extended service is available till 2014, but I got just one question, when people buy an XP system from them do you throw in the extended support stuff for free?

Extended/mainstream support has nothing to do with me or HP or anyone else in the regards to "free" support, etc... HP and anyone else CHARGES for support. It is what Microsoft is willing to do for a product. In 2014, M$ will stop producing new patches for XP and will not provide any human technical support for it. Just like when 98 support was offically halted about 2 years ago. Drivers and patches are downloadable, etc - just nothing new.

As far as me being an MCDST it means I get more info quicker then you can, your just mad because I get the info and have more access to Microsoft then you do. If you like Mac's so much like you indicated in your first post and dislike Windows then why don't you just stop selling windows and start selling Mac's!! So if you had a limited budget then why the hell are you complaining that it sucks?

Why would I be mad about anyone being MCDST? Whatever... and I never said I liked Macs as you put it. The AD the AD.

Not my budget... it was granny's budget... something confusing about that? Notice how my sig says I have a 2GB/dual core system or that I refer to it as someone else' system?

You haven't ran it on a system that is truly built for Vista. I have several options for people to choose from for Vista computers and it cost no more to change it and have XP installed.

There are no computers "truly built for vista" All hardware today is pretty much the same as before vista came out. Newest intel, AMD, Nvidia drivers support XP, Vista, Linux and more. Point to a single computer motherboard, video card, network card, monitor, keyboard, mouse, USB device that WON'T work with XP. Yeah, the new RAM DRIVES can be used for vista, but tests have shown that they don't offer any real-world benifits.

If all it takes is a little sticker for it to be vista (which is what M$ says anyways) - then the PC she bought should have performed in a usable manner since it came with a sticker.

Stop your whining and suck it up princess!! None of what you said in your first post is factually true!! Your mad because we are all calling you on it.

Princess? Hmmm... funny, the experince I typed up DID happen... where you there? I have the recipt for the RAM & XP(fact). The memory issues (2 vs 3 vs 4gb and 32/64bit) is also fact. And even you yourself said "disable the UAC" -meaning YOU have issues of vista and what I am saying is true.

Considering you're using made up dates concerning XP, I think you need more training from another school or something... who knows.

I have a screenshot of my XP system with 2mb worth of DL toys to make it look like vista... oh so difficult. What a few kiddies have done on their own time, took M$ years to make. Seriously, its funny... in a sad way.

Well... we'll see how well M$ does on WindowsNT 5.3 - perhaps they'll actually make something that is original and different and better. A good example is Office 2007 - they actually spent time to make a better product.

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Bob1940

Her Hpaq was brand new... it was the best she was willing to spend with what was available... she kinda lives in the suburbs, not in the main city where there would have been far more choices at 8:30pm. Some stores were out of computers. We walked out of the store at 30min after they closed... it was a timing issue.

Ping pong.. heheh... Here's my PC history...

Odyseey2(console) > Commodore Vic20 (3.5k RAM) > Commodore 128 > Amiga 1000 (I still have 1.5 A1000s - I actually spent $150 per floppy drive on that) > Amiga 3000 > 486/100Mhz > Pentium 166 > Celeron 333 (good ones) > P3-866 > AMD XP 2000 > 3000 and what I have today. I'm planning on a quad core next and the GeForce 8800GT.

And Yep... granny uses the PC to talk to friends and family, now.

[simpswr]

poor ol' horse . . .

[katabby]

If all these whiners that don't want Vista got off their butts and looked around they would find they can still buy systems with XP. My post at the bottom of page 1 on this thread shows it.
But then, if they weren't bitchin about Vista they'd have to find something else to moan about. Glad we have Vista.

[Bob1940]

Katabby

I would be surprised if you could buy a off the shelf Computer in Australia that has XP in it.
Would be old stock or a dodgy XP, netherless other Countries may still have a dual system being sold.

Compiler

Sorry missed the new HP bit, been interesting forum. I'll bugger off now and wish you and Gran all the best.

regards from down under

[steveie85]

No UAC wasn't causeing any problems. I actualy like it and think its a good idea. I turned it off for the simple fact of turning it off. My computer is scure enough with out it. Someone like granny who dosen't know a lot about how Notron, Windows Defender and others work should be useing it. Sounds like a money hungry computer tech to me.

[Orumph]

I agree with steveie85.

The sad thing is. A tech doesn't realize what the difference is between the Hardware Manufactures and the OS manufacturer. Oh, that's right they are in cahoots .

The Hardware OEM's didn't care what they were selling and didn't do thier home work either. So they allowed these wannabe tech's and average joes to configure a Vista system with less power than is needed for vista.

Overly bloated OS? Maybe, in some areas. With at least 2G's of memory and a C2D, there isn't anything my system won't run. No, you aren't going to get a good experience from a $400 PC with only 512M of ram. This isn't MS's fault, they clearly state on the boxes, 1G of memory recommended, the Hardware OEM's must have surely known this aswell, but ignored it, that's MS's fault too. And any good tech knows that you always, always always double the recommended requirements of CPU and RAM for any and all software to get a good experience. Games are no different.

Don't blame Vista and MS for your lack of home work. That is all your fault.
98 only needed 32M but every good tech knows that 64 was the sweet spot.
XP only required 64M, but every good tech knows that 128 or 256 was the sweet spot.
it will be this way till the end of time, or the architecture changes.
How much memory do you think a MAC needs today?
Have you even looked?
Try getting a mac os x leapord for under $2000.
Oh yeah, there is that glaring security hole that they finally admitted to that allows attackers root access. And then there was the one day of about 45 security updates all at once.

BTW, all XP support ends in 2009, extended support to 2014 and only critical updates will be released. Nothing that may address a smaller issue unless you pay for it.
So, selling someone XP now, is almost thievery in my opinion.
A good tech should know this, and inform thier customers of this, then let the customer decide. Not informing them of this and making it clear is (in my opinion) fraudulent.
If you are so biased against Microsoft, then you shouldn't be supporting thier systems.
Or do your homework and you won't have as much to complain about.

Go use linux (how many versions? over 100 and counting?), and when the little old ladies son realizes you are fleecing her on support issues, well.

[steveie85]

I agree!! I want to ask everyone do you know exactly how many processors claim to be Vista rated? I do, its every single one of them. How many hard drives are Vista rated? Over 90%. Dose this mean they all work perfectly? No it dose not. You know how I know? I am an authorized reseller of Western Digital, Intel, VeiwSonic, Symantec and many others. Not all Symantec/Norton stuff is Vista ready yet. Only the basics such as Norton Anti-virus '07 and up. Norton 360 is not Vista ready, although it dose work on Vista, its just not 100% compatible, only about 60%, and as any good support/computer tech knows, 60% just isn't good enough. Like I said Vista's minimum requirement is 512MB ram, but in big bold letters it clearly says 1GB or more of ram is recommended. I know Vista ultimate will not run properly unless it has 2GB, it even says 2GB recommended on the box!! Microsoft knows what is required of a computer based on what the beta testers from independent companies tell them. I do belive compiller is now mad that he has been put in his place. I know nothing about Mac's but I don know some people like them and some don't. Maybe you should got granny a mac if you couldn't find an XP computer. BTW how long did it take Microsoft to get XP just perfect after it released it?? Dose anyone remember hearing about all the problems Microsoft had with Vista before it went to beta testing? It was over a year and they even stripped Vista to its basic components and rebuilt it to what it is today because it kept crashing and was very unstable. All these people who are having problems,is because of hardware manufactures that just don't take pride in being the first to offer top products that work with Vista. How many people bought an XP computer for $400 with creative labs audio technology? Not many!! By the way charging $35 for 512MB ram is wrong!! I can get 1GB ram cards for that price!! And they work just fine. But I do not put them in my systems, I only give them to customers who ask me to order them specifically. I only use Kingston and Crossair, 2 very respectable and very good ram card makers.

[katabby]

just for fun I went to ninemsn (Australia) and clicked on their shopping link. Took about 2 minutes to find brand new computers loaded with xp.

[Compiler]

Originally Posted by simpswr

poor ol' horse . . .

Since the horse is dead, it doesn't know its being beaten...

Howabout a nuke for the horse?

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Originally Posted by katabby

If all these whiners that don't want Vista got off their butts and looked around they would find they can still buy systems with XP. My post at the bottom of page 1 on this thread shows it.
But then, if they weren't bitchin about Vista they'd have to find something else to moan about. Glad we have Vista.

Uh... the link you gave was for a VERY VERY low-end computer that is rather expensive... cheaper to buy a vista PC off the shelf and then buy XP.

Dell and HP still sell XP systems... requires a bit of searching.

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Steveie85:

"By the way charging $35 for 512MB ram is wrong!! I can get 1GB ram cards for that price!!"

I bought 1GB for $35... in case there were driver issues (there were not)... so I *GAVE* her the stick of 512mb since I don't use them and it was collecting dust, I got it for free - I gave it away for free.

"Sounds like a money hungry computer tech to me." - funny... while she is of no relation to me - other than the mother of a friend, what I got for my time was Pizza for me and my boy... which she played with while I rebuilt her machine.

When she had vista, I got nothing but complaints. Not a peep about XP... I called back to make sure its all good to double check.

Orumph: "all XP support ends in 2009" but then you say " extended support to 2014 and only critical updates will be released"... er, so ALL support doesn't end in 2009. All we get from MS lately is nothing but Security fixes... so for the most part, nothing changes.

And Mainstream support ends for XP/SP2 is Sept 17th, 2009... almost 2 whole years! (this is features, add-ons which MS hasn't done anyways for quite a while)

XP is a solid OS - with some design flaws... some corrected in vista, some badly.


Most secure PC in the world: Anything not connected to the internet.

[loserOlimbs]

My question is, if she just wanted to get online why not fix the old PC?
Thats just common sense though.

Vista is not her problem, it the PC! I have a 2.5 ghz celeron, and it doesn't run XP with 768MB of RAM any better than it runs Vista.
Celerons are just not great CPUs.

My PC runs Vista Ultimate 64bit with an AMD64 3200 1GB of RAM, and it runs GREAT! Half Life 2 seems happier in 64bit mode too!

[katabby]

The reason Iposted that link was I thought it might spark some interest. The processor is made by VIA and only uses 20 watts. A green computer running XP. I thought it was quite cheap, and perfect for someone on a fixed income that requires only light duty computing.

[steveie85]

Hey compiler maybe you need to go back to school or look at the links to pages you give out. Microsoft says mainstream support ends 14/04/09 which is APRIL 14 2009, not September like you "claim". The extended support ends April 8 2014. Maybe you as a "good" computer tech could have spent a few minutes giving her a quick walk through. I give all my customers a quick walk through of XP and Vista on another computer that I have in the front of my shop so they can get a feel for both and choose. If Vista is so bad then the guy who owns 5 grocery stores, the lawyer, a judge, a district attorney and a couple farms wouldn't have asked or would have wanted me to put XP in the systems I built. They love there Vista systems. All of which I built for under $900USD. So all this talk that it costs over $2000 is ludacirs.