[RobLinux]

Originally Posted by Compiler

3 - the DRM is horrible... it sucks the performance right out of the box.

So run something DRM-less, VLC media player doesn't even care about Region Codes on DVD.

[Compiler]

The DRM in Vista is not simply "watching DVDs" vista is checking several times a second to make sure your vista isn't pirated, your LCD cable is HCP compliant (hence, without an HDMI cable you won't get a hi-res video signal... you maybe a pirate. It checks your media play software, you other programs, Is your video driver on the list allowed to display videos? The list goes on and on...


I still have yet to see a single post that states something vista can do that XP cannot... other than DX10 (this is refusal on M$ part more than impossiblity) and of course memory sucking.

[RobLinux]

It can drive you crazy!

So I was able to shrink it's bloated 235 GB filesystem, without 3rd party tool, or booting to 125 GB or so, still way over bloated. XP needs assistance to do that.

I don't like M$ OSes, DRM is awful, and it does seem like all these companies think they own the machine, not the actual owner. A lot of what you are complaining about isn't there in Linux. But I do find Vista better than XP, which I've used but doesn't have a future.

New machines, will have Vista and will run it fine. Something like AMD 5600+ X2, plus 2+ GB RAM then Vista runs well enough, some things may be even quicker in Linux, but the Vista desktop is fast enough to use. I don't really notice performance issues, except the annoying indexing & virus scanning, and some index-ing gets done on many Linux systems after booting for Desktop / Machine searching. All the interuptions from nag-ware, lack of software, and general getting in the way of the user is what keeps me running Linux the majority of the time (browsing, email, general hacking etc).

Face up to it, whilst M$ are deciding on the road map, you the end user / system installer; are going to come a long way 2nd to the interests of big cooperations and big box shifters, who have Intellectual Property Rights to enforce. And you don't have the source to fix it; and you aren't actually directly the customer, just a user without a choice.

PS.

It kind of reminds me of when Sun replaced the lovely SunOS 4.1 (BSD based) with horrible klunky Solaris 2 (Sys V) with loads of supposed "improvements" which the Sys Admins and power users hated. Performance enhancements that caused machines all to run slower and such, 60 character UUIDs for hardware like disks and printers. End of the day, new hardware support meant no choice, but the Free BSD movement definitely got a big lift from Sun's decision (and a Linux port to SPARC). In some case machines got converted to X terminals. Their printing system just got replaced by a user implemtend BSD based one, which worked simply and without grief and no need to buy a GUI management tool.

Most users given choice of excuse of a new quiet machine, faster, or sticking with a noisy 4 yr old, 1.5Ghz box are going to be quite happy to "spoil themselves", and that is part of the reason for changing the OS... sell hardware upgrades, efficiency is not desired.

[sueb_51]

wow after reading all these post on vista i actually feel better. lol I HATE IT. I'm not real experienced on computers and yes I have alot of posts here, but not for vista, but i'm sure its gonna grow real fast lol. I hate all the requests for permission, like duhhhhh i do own the computer. and sooooo many virus scanners don't even have a way to help u yet. i love winxp sorry. it was the best

[Therion11]

Originally Posted by sueb_51

wow after reading all these post on vista i actually feel better. lol I HATE IT. I'm not real experienced on computers and yes I have alot of posts here, but not for vista, but i'm sure its gonna grow real fast lol. I hate all the requests for permission, like duhhhhh i do own the computer. and sooooo many virus scanners don't even have a way to help u yet. i love winxp sorry. it was the best

UAC does that because alot of those features are used by malicious software and other virus'. If something is trying to delete your 'notepad' file, wouldn't you wan't to be able to deny it permission? I myself turned UAC off, but despite it's irritating dialog boxes all the time it was quite effective.

Virus scanners that don't work on vista yet are just poorly supported. How long has vista been out now? The more everybody jumps on the "I haet vista!1!!1!!" bandwagon, the slower progress on the OS is.

[RobLinux]

According to http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...memory-windows

"MICROSOFT VISTA requires more hardware resources than the Vole's Windows for Supercomputers. Officially called Windows HPC Server 2008, Microsoft's offering for high performance computing runs in as little as 512MB of system memory,"


The UAC is naff, but it's better than having to re-install your system in a "clean room" and grovel to all the ppl you infected. There's various alternatives, creating sand boxes for programs and defining policies what they're allowed to do; but SECURITY is always a real PITA; and lots of confirmations don't work for me, as I start clicking mindlessly.

[ I actually have to turn off any file delete confimrations, to avoid losing data ]

[Therion11]

I turned UAC off, as it was annoying and a properly configured firewall + antivirus + common sense is a better alternative.

But I'd assume for the average user who's not too big on setting up a secure system, just browsing casually, UAC would be useful.

[RobLinux]

But antivirus isn't real security. It's just sticking plaster, like an Intrusion Detection system essentially reactive in nature. Firewall just adds an extra protective layer, so service ports aren't offered to the Internet.

So actually patching up OS & Application vulnerabilities regularly via a reliable update mechanism. having OS Vendor promptly provide these fixes and be trustworthy enough so you can install them, and having programs that run without full privileges (limitting effect of a breach) is important to.

If you're actually going to use a computer on the Net, you need to communicate with other computers, so having a system that doesn't trust (and execute) data is important.

[Compiler]

Yeah... but how many times does renaming a desktop item is a security breach in the real world?

If mouse click = Hardware manager or renaming Icon, DON'T BOTHER THE END USER!!

Also, a little checkbox goes a long way... if the novice ends up pressing YES all he time, then he'll stop reading what the UAC is complaining about which means USELESS.

So we come again... Add a firewall, anti-spyware software and better yet - ditch IE6 or 7 for Opera 9.x (free now) which only has a 2-3 security issues vs the 100+ for IE or 2 dozen for Firefox. vista becomes no moe secure than XP in the end... so features?

[RobLinux]

If you are renaming the Adminstrators item (or other users) every time!

I've seen Opera have plenty of security updates over years. The problem is with less common applications is whether the low "vulnerability" count, is just because noone's looking for them there.

The UAC pops up when you're trying to change things, or run certain programs not fully adapted I guess. In particular when you run setup progs for installation after download. It's that time, when it pops up, and you didn't expect that has the value. Altering desktop and menus, without a Win Domain logon, it's not happened, guess it won't trouble the novice as much as all the aggressive demands for money for "protection" (McAffee) and/or product registration.

Vista's going to run on hardware the XP won't support (64bit?), a certain tipping point, and there'll not be backported drivers. Now I've not managed *touch wood* to crash it yet, which is a first for M$ OS. In fact I can't remember it behaving bizarrely, just disobient and stubborn.

Apart from shrinking your C: drive without partition magic. It has NEW "Search from within folders", "Organize files in new ways", "Enjoy digital entertainment" sic lol, "Keep devices in sync", "View, edit and organize pictures", "Get mobile PC capabilities", "Provide guidance with Parental Controls".

Bill & Steve are real proud, with this great advance, you know "Resistance is useless. You will be assimilited!"

[Compiler]

Dell is currently selling PCs with windowsXP on their website... hmmm and not hard to do either.

http://www.dell.com/content/products...dlestab&~ck=mn

The customer can choose HOME or PRO (no MCE? booooo)

PS: Love how Dell charges an extra $100 for the business version of vista... when vist-business cost only $30 more than vista-homePremo.

[Compiler]

Originally Posted by RobLinux

If you are renaming the Adminstrators item, every time!

Since when is a itunes or pdf file on the desktop an Adminstator item?

[lancerx]

Vista is a joke, i'm going back to xp pro, i really hate vista after 4 month.

[messiahfreak2000]

i personally love my vista on my laptop. so far, no issues whatsoever. only issue was it shut down after putting it on sleep while leaving word docs open, but i recovered those pretty quick. granted tho, the requirements for vista are hefty (especially since i also run autocad on the same laptop, and no issues).

[steveie85]

Vista ran just fine on my Dell Inspiron 1501. I am running a AMD Turion 64 @ 2.0Ghz with 1GB when I got it, now is at 1.4GB(128MB for video card). All those who are still saying Vista sucks, you have made your point, STOP WHINNING AND MOVE ON!! Btw Dell dose still sell XP but dose recomend Vista. They are probably only still offering it because they have a stock pile of it!!