[RobLinux]

Having logged in on my Sister's XP machine, which is a couple of years old, I saw what you meant Compiler, it was lightening compared to getting to do something useful in Vista.

I can see why it causes frustration, as the features it is implementing do not seem to be of real benefit to the end user. But I guess an opportunity to sell "Ready Boost" matters more, than keeping old hardware nice to use.

[steveie85]

If we educated these people about the basics of virus' and malware then the world would be a better place. If you can't agree with that, then I think you shouldn't be allowed to work on or use a computer period. Education is the best way to prevent something. We educate people about what Meth does to people and a lot of people either get off it or don't use it. The same with disease's we educate about them and people aren't getting sick from more and more disesase's. So lets start educating people about virus' and malware and we can make the world a better place. I know since I adopted an educate my customers policy that I have had less and less virus and malware cases.

I have fielded a few call's on vista. They have all been driver issues, ie. drivers sent with product don't work. I help them find the drivers on the net and they work. This is NOT a microsoft problem. It is companies like HP, Lexmark, Creative Labs and others failing to work and get the drivers ready for when Vista was released mainstream. The lets just work 9-5 monday to friday policy don't work, esp. when stuff is in the last month prior to launch. Like I said Microsoft is part to blame, but so are the developers at these companies that create the drivers for there products.

[Compiler]

Of course educate... I make sure friends, family and customers have a AntiVirus and Firewall installed. Since vistas' (and XPs) firewalls are like a wet paper bag trying to hold a gallen of milk.

But the AVG person doesn't CARE. I've recommended books, etc etc - its up to them to take the advice and learn the tools. But they'd rather I come out and rebuilt the PC 1-3 times a year when it chokes on spam/trojans.

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Vista's validation process under microsoft's strong arm tactics is what hurt vista's driver's releases to the public. Many NT 5.0 (Windows2000) drivers did work with no or little changes for NT5.1 (XP) and should work with NT5.3{not offical of course} (vista) considering that they ARE the same operating systems. What M$ sells for $150~$400 of overprice and over-bloated software is not the Longhorn they promised.

Vista is still nothing more than the 2007 version of Windows ME.

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by Compiler

Vista is still nothing more than the 2007 version of Windows ME.

You are way off base here. It appears that all you have done is read and watch someone else and not ever run Vista on any machine. Get a real machine and help people here with Vista or go to the XP forum and stay there as Vista will never be ready for you.
People with problems do NOT need you telling the world what you think of a product that you can not use.

[RobLinux]

Originally Posted by Compiler

Vista's validation process under microsoft's strong arm tactics is what hurt vista's driver's releases to the public. Many NT 5.0 (Windows2000) drivers did work with no or little changes for NT5.1 (XP) and should work with NT5.3

I have an old D-Link 528, Real Tek based ethernet BNC / RJ45 10 Mb/s card NE2000 type card. No Vista driver on manufacturer's website, no suggestion. By getting the exact Network chip number in Linux and then going to the chip vendors site, I was able to downlaod a WIN2000/XP driver which said it worked with Vista, and it does. It only took me about 2 days to find the driver, and of course I had to ignore M$'s attempts to put me off, but it does work.

May be, part of reason for not having releases of Vista drivers to public, is that the binary XP compatibility actually works? It's a kind of intelligence test, those who aren't persistent and don't solve the puzzle have their wallets lightened?

[steveie85]

Originally Posted by Compiler

Of course educate... I make sure friends, family and customers have a AntiVirus and Firewall installed. Since vistas' (and XPs) firewalls are like a wet paper bag trying to hold a gallen of milk.

But the AVG person doesn't CARE. I've recommended books, etc etc - its up to them to take the advice and learn the tools. But they'd rather I come out and rebuilt the PC 1-3 times a year when it chokes on spam/trojans.

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Vista's validation process under microsoft's strong arm tactics is what hurt vista's driver's releases to the public. Many NT 5.0 (Windows2000) drivers did work with no or little changes for NT5.1 (XP) and should work with NT5.3{not offical of course} (vista) considering that they ARE the same operating systems. What M$ sells for $150~$400 of overprice and over-bloated software is not the Longhorn they promised.

Vista is still nothing more than the 2007 version of Windows ME.

Your right compiler. Its not the Longhorn they promised. If you are so up on Microsoft news you will remember them saying they had to rework Longhorn and it will now be called Vista. Thats why Longhorn was ONLY a codename, NOT the actual OS name.

I know so many people running Vista and it runs great, even on systems like the one you bought granny.

[Compiler]

Originally Posted by steveie85

Your right compiler. Its not the Longhorn they promised. If you are so up on Microsoft news you will remember them saying they had to rework Longhorn and it will now be called Vista. Thats why Longhorn was ONLY a codename, NOT the actual OS name.

I'm refering to the development of an ACTUAL advancement of the OS, the original Longhorn... before they scraped it and reworked XP and called it "new". So I think people can figure out that I meant "feature set" vs. a code name.

Amiga DOS 1.x could NOT do the things of ADOS 2.x, same as 2.x trying to do 3.x. And each version was an actual improvement in memory and performance.

Other than the IN-DEMAND DX10 and the joke called "Turbo Cache" - there isn't a single thing that Vista does that XP couldn't do... faster and lighter.

[Compiler]

Originally Posted by DaveA

You are way off base here. It appears that all you have done is read and watch someone else and not ever run Vista on any machine.

Obviously I did use a REAL Vista on a computer.

Get a real machine and help people here with Vista or go to the XP forum and stay there as Vista will never be ready for you.
People with problems do NOT need you telling the world what you think of a product that you can not use.

So what you're saying is that people/customers should stick their heads in the stand and eat whatever some company shoves out... rather than discuss and complain about problems of products so it can be fixed? I like my idea better, its how computers get better... Hmmm... a lot of people and business DO refuse vista for valid reasons.

[RobLinux]

Originally Posted by Compiler

Other than the IN-DEMAND DX10 and the joke called "Turbo Cache" - there isn't a single thing that Vista does that XP couldn't do... faster and lighter.

It can shrink it's C: without 3rd party software.

It can deny access to your media if they suspect, you of not having a trusted platform. Thus ensuring Copyright Holder's can monetize their assets.

[katabby]

number 100
This horse won't die

[Compiler]

Actually You're right big time there, RobLinux.

They (M$ and team) have even more control of your computer. Everything you watch or listen with M$ Mediaplayer is logged and sent to M$.


Lookie here... I'm not the only one who hates vista... its a larger world afterall.

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_...sta/1192031620

You know its bad if an 8yr old says it sucks...

[Compiler]

#102... its Re-Animator horsey!

[Compiler]

Hey... here is a interesting video from a Microsoft Loyalist... big time lover of the OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HELrxLdP85c

[steveie85]

Sure it is loged on your computer what you did. Its called the cache!! Wow you figured what that is yay compiler!! We are proud of you!! That info you are talking about is only sent if people like you who don't care, click to send the info without reading and making sure the client is ok with it. Thats why people are mad. Instead of posting and whinning on here, why not send your thoughts straight to Microsoft!! I will be glad to get the email of a rep at Microsoft so you can tell them, if you want Compile

[ScottProdigy]

I hear ya Rob, I've been running Ubuntu on an 800mhz Celeron with 512mb of memory and it amazes me smooth everything flows. If only I didn't need some XP applications, I would turn my Core 2 into a Linux box.