[replay]

well....... i disagree with your irresponsible comment ..... and find it rude....... but since you are a moderator i feel now that you are threatening to disable my account
will that make you happy???

[TerryNet]

I am not at all happy to see that you did not understand "Do not post again in this thread unless you have something to contribute to divyeshp1's issue."

I have given you a temporary ban for making yet another useless post after being warned. Since you have managed to keep your record clean until now I made it very short--3 days.

[Dedcert]

Originally Posted by Rich-M

Sorry I agree with Terry here. We have an obligation to explain why we prefer another Antivirus program. While it is true that Norton 360 is a huge resource hog, most newer pc's have enough processing speed and memory where the user isn't that aware but suggesting the use of Avira or Avg when there are other services the user has in Norton 360 is really not helpful. Frankly I don't think Avg or Avira are any more use as an Antivirus than Norton is since I find them useless on my heavily infected systems along with Norton, MacAfee, Pc Cillan and Avg and Avira doing absolutley nothing about the infections.

I have run Comodo FREE firewall and AVAST FREE antivirus on both my PC and laptop for over 3 years and have NEVER become infected. YES - I'm extremely careful which websites I visit and read all the Small print on any download which might be suspicious, but the time taken is well worth it as my non-infected computers show. I'll admit to my son trying Norton 360 on his Laptop, without asking for any advice first; but within a couple of days he had uninstalled it and installed the two FREE programmes I spoke of earlier. Can't say more than that really as a testament to Nortons faults,of which there are many !! How Rich , as a so-called "Distinguished Member" got "heavily infected" machines in the first place only shows that perhaps his advice is not the best. AND IF YOU DON@T BELIEVE THAT I, AS A JUNIOR MEMBER, HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT I REFER YOU TO "REPLAY'S" POST. THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "FREE SPEECH" OR IS THIS SITE RUN AS A DICTATORSHIP. We'll know when this post appears - OR DOESN'T !!

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by Dedcert

I have run Comodo FREE firewall and AVAST FREE antivirus on both my PC and laptop for over 3 years and have NEVER become infected. YES - I'm extremely careful which websites I visit and read all the Small print on any download which might be suspicious, but the time taken is well worth it as my non-infected computers show. I'll admit to my son trying Norton 360 on his Laptop, without asking for any advice first; but within a couple of days he had uninstalled it and installed the two FREE programmes I spoke of earlier. Can't say more than that really as a testament to Nortons faults,of which there are many !! How Rich , as a so-called "Distinguished Member" got "heavily infected" machines in the first place only shows that perhaps his advice is not the best. AND IF YOU DON@T BELIEVE THAT I, AS A JUNIOR MEMBER, HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT I REFER YOU TO "REPLAY'S" POST. THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "FREE SPEECH" OR IS THIS SITE RUN AS A DICTATORSHIP. We'll know when this post appears - OR DOESN'T !!

No need to get all "lathered up" here, none of my personal machines ever got heavily infected while using Avg or Avira, as I have never used them other than for testing purposes on my bench machine. If you will reread my post I was referring to client infections as I own and run a pc repair business and have for years.

I used to allow sympathies for clients who had less funds than others to use Antivirus programs like Avg, Avira and Avast but have come to realize that I am doing them a disservice condoning such behavior. The use of such programs is fine for an experienced user who is careful, and it sounds like you are therefore for you it matters not imho. My concerns are to protect the average user and there to state that these programs are equal to paid ones is first illogical, because how then would the paid ones stay in existence if this was really true? But second simply not true anyway.

Something that we all must do here is respect the opinions of others so freedom of speech was not the issue here, it was more abuse of authority. I have observed Terry and all the Mods here for years, one way to become a "distinguished member" incidentally, and there certainly was nothing said to justify Replay's abuse of him twice.Terry was more than fair with him. Moderators have a tough job on forums, I am one myself on another forum, and those of you who really don't know everything can respect how tough a job that really is, and treat all members with respect, if you expect it in return.

[TerryNet]

Dedcert, there is room for you to greatly expand your level of understanding. I won't repeat what Rich has already stated. replay did not state an opinion; he advised the OP to replace his apparently newly purchased package of firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware, botnet protection, automated backups, etc., with only an anti-virus program. Not knowing the OP's level of understanding of malware threats that is highly irresponsible. He then made 3 more useless posts that did nothing to help the OP. His timeout was not for "expressing his opinion" or any of his 1st 4 posts. It was for his 5th useless post after being explicitly warned to not do so.

"Free speech" refers to what government may and may not suppress. This is not a government run site; it is a privately owned and run site. There are two main sections--technical and community. This part is for requesting and offering technical help and only a limited amount of random discussion will be permitted. Go to the community forums for random discussions and debates.

[Dedcert]

Rich , sorry to disagree but your post stated -" I don't think Avg or Avira are any more use as an Antivirus than Norton is since I find them useless on my heavily infected systems along with Norton, MacAfee, Pc Cillan and Avg and Avira doing absolutley nothing about the infections" Nowhere do I see any reference to these heavily infected machines belonging to clients. Had you made that clear, which I beg to differ, you most definitely did not, I, without question, would not have been so scathing in my personal remarks for which I apologise unreservedly. I must take issue ,however with TerryNet's opening statement, which I found deprecating and unjustified. Unfortunately I am unable to state the source,but it was not a product inspired one,simply one by one of the other "helpsites" but apparently in recently conducted "Leak-tests" Comodo came 2nd and Norton 9th. Surely in that case the FREE programme fared better than the Paid one. A simple parallel would be that the vast majority of PC users trust advice from websites such as yours more than from so called "Product Support" sites. Free vs Paid.(having paid for the product,the profits of which go to running the helplines etc. And Finally - - TerryNet-get off your high horse. I can assure you , you are no better than I, which I feel is the implication running running through post.

[TerryNet]

This is a warning, Dedcert. This thread has been more than sufficiently hijacked. Do not post in this thread again unless you have something to help the OP's issue.

This is a second warning, Dedcert. Do not show such disrespect to me or any other mod or admin again.

[replay]

richm, where exactly did i abuse terrynet........ if u read thru the thread he was actually rude to me and at no time was i rude to him i think you are the kind of of guy that likes to "put out the fire with gasoline"
i really think that we need a "real" moderator to look at this thread and determine who was rude and threatening.......certainly was not me
after 6+ years on this forum with no issues i feel that terrynets ego has got in the way of common sense in this matter and now i see that he is threatening another member in this thread,
where does it end? i will send a note to a more level headed moderator to see if he/she can intervene with terrynets eagerness to use his "cyber power"

[Rich-M]

Originally Posted by Dedcert

Rich , sorry to disagree but your post stated -" I don't think Avg or Avira are any more use as an Antivirus than Norton is since I find them useless on my heavily infected systems along with Norton, MacAfee, Pc Cillan and Avg and Avira doing absolutley nothing about the infections" Nowhere do I see any reference to these heavily infected machines belonging to clients. Had you made that clear, which I beg to differ, you most definitely did not, I, without question, would not have been so scathing in my personal remarks for which I apologise unreservedly. I must take issue ,however with TerryNet's opening statement, which I found deprecating and unjustified. Unfortunately I am unable to state the source,but it was not a product inspired one,simply one by one of the other "helpsites" but apparently in recently conducted "Leak-tests" Comodo came 2nd and Norton 9th. Surely in that case the FREE programme fared better than the Paid one. A simple parallel would be that the vast majority of PC users trust advice from websites such as yours more than from so called "Product Support" sites. Free vs Paid.(having paid for the product,the profits of which go to running the helplines etc. And Finally - - TerryNet-get off your high horse. I can assure you , you are no better than I, which I feel is the implication running running through post.

Rereading my post Dedcert, I can easily see how you took it that way, it was poorly stated. I guess I felt if I sounded like a guy with a tech business those who don't know mw would know that, and indeed that was wrong of me.
Terry is simply trying to keep this thread on tack is all, which is a Moderator's job and we are all circumventing that task though if I were the poster I would be long out of here too I suppose.

[Rich-M]

well....... i disagree with your irresponsible comment ..... and find it rude....... but since you are a moderator i feel now that you are threatening to disable my account
will that make you happy???

Come on Replay, you have to see the above is both disrespectful of a Moderator simply trying to do their job and belongs in a PM not in the open on a Public Forum. Truthfully on my own forum I would have closed this thread quite a while ago and put infractions on you as well, and I am the "mild mannered one" on my own forum. You are baiting him, anyone can see that and it can't be for a good reason Replay. And you have been a great contributor in the past so I sure don't get it.

[replay]

***edited by valis***

[TerryNet]

divyeshp1, you haven't responded since Sep. 30 so I am going to assume that you have lost interest, solved the issue with Michael York's help, or are disgusted with the hijacking of your thread. If you want me to reopen it just PM me or Report this post and ask for it to be reopened.

replay, I don't know what your problem is. Rich and I have each tried to explain things several times. Your post after your enforced time out does not even hint about the OP's issue, indicating that you still don't "get it." As you, Rich and I have each mentioned you've been here a long time with no issues until now. It's really nuts to self destruct over one thread or disagreement. I am going to close this thread now. If it gets reopened, please do not post here again unless you have something to contribute to the OP's issue. If you want to make sure that other mods and admins review this just Report on any post.

[valis]

replay:

I've deleted your post as it was completely useless to the topic at hand.

As Rich has stated, I've also seen your work in the past, and you are above this petty junk. Don't let your emotions get the better of you; that's always a bad idea.

take care, and hope to see you stick around.

v