Bruballer, Please do not start more than one thread for the same topic. Did you go into the add/remove to see if the programs are still there after you remove them and reboot? If they are not there then maybe it is just the shortcuts showing on your desktop. If they are still there then you can try revo uninstaller from this site
http://download.cnet.com/Revo-Uninst...-10687648.html and try uninstalling them.