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The USA is About to Elect Another Right Wing Idiot

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#1 ·
I knew when GWB was appointed, then elected for a second term, the flood gates would be open for any unqualified person to make a run for the office of president - and Trump is the poster boy for inept and unfit to be be leader of this great country. Unbelievable this man beat out 16 others equally unqualified - doesn't say much for the electorates intelligence that they would choose a scam artist flim flam man - but not surprising.

What say you?
 
#92 ·
Oh dear oh dear, Wino!

This has really rattled your cage!

Well, since 1950, you have "enjoyed" the following Dems as POTUS: did any of them really achieve anything much? Except, of course, to make themselves wealthy...

List: Democrat Presidents Since 1950:

Truman: 50 to 53:

JFK 1961 to 1963:

Lyndon B Johnson: 63 to 69:

Jimmy Carter 77 to 81:

Clinton 1993 to 2001

Obama 2009 to date:

Now lets examine overall US Poverty Rates.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/

Obama enjoys an interesting track record! Poverty increased during his two terms; significantly!

Trump, IMHO, has one sovereign benefit: he is not part of the extant Banking-Big Biz-Big Oil- Military-Political construct. Indeed, he succeeded in business despite the power clique of elites, not because of them, which has been so often the way. Indeed, he has been treated as a pariah by this same cosy incestuous and hugely corrupt club.

He is a pragmatist: already he has agreed to keep the "Good" bits of Obama Care; not junk it.

As a very successful businessman, he fully realises one does not discard useful and good things on party political grounds; oh that all the others might learn this lesson!

Trump is a racist!

Oh really? Then why does he employ so many black Americans, and Hispanics etc?

Since NONE of us actually KNOW what Trump's final plans and strategies might be, then let's keep our vituperative critique safe. Shame the MSM cannot understand this lesson!

Makes no difference who won - as I posted before, we're on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future to 2050 if not beyond. Please watch that $20Tril debt continue to increase under Trump. You can also watch while the republicans gut all social programs. They will be the first to throw their elders under the bus once they have to support them with "their" money. We just took the first steps to returning to 1950 and everything that was bad about that era - all the words used to describe Trump and many of his followers in my earlier post - you know, the "deploreables" (she should have said despicable's), racist, misogamy, bigots, liars, bullies, ignorant, hatred of all not WASP and straight - actually an endless list.

Only time will tell, but he seems to be surrounding himself with trashy, has been neocon staff from the past, neophytes that don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, and outright alt-right racist. He may as well be sending a bag of manure to every non-white for Christmas in lieu of the normal lump of coal. About the only saving grace is a majority of voters aren't totally daft.
 
#95 ·
Whenever I get angry about politicians, and their lies, cheating, criminal activity etc. I think to myself, they are politicians, that is what they do. Trump did what he thought he had to do to win the election. He is now president-elect, and it remains to be seen how good he will be. Obama seemed to be the perfect POTUS, but he turned out to be pretty ineffective. One of the things I like about Trump is his willingness to get together with Putin. Perhaps the middle east can be sorted out at last. I imagine that Trump can be as ruthless as Putin, and, in my opinion, that is what is needed now, to defeat ISIS. I will be interested to see how this all turns out.
 
#96 · (Edited)
No, Wino America and the World are still paying for the Clinton Era. The Stuff we are finding out about how they ran Arakansas, and how that continued into their 'Parody of the Kennedy's' 90's, Cocaine Liberalism/Socialism (you should have been in Britain in that wretched disappointment of a Decade), so sooner or later you were going to get a Backlash against it. The 90's started with so much Promise and ended dismally. GWB's Presidency was the inevitability of all that.

They were the response to Whitewater/Lewinski etc - while first and second time Voters grew up not knowing anything else. The Political establishment seems incapable of connecting with People now - Republican of Democrat - so is anyone surprised that someone who isn't from either has just won. Obama was another disappointment. I'll remember it as a time when no-one had any Social Skills - or the Trap we are always warned about always happens - Tokenism etc happened.
 
#99 ·
I hadn't intended on posting in this thread because I despised the choices for Presidency in both major parties.
But a recent conversation with a close friend brought this to mind.
The American populace is so ill educated, they vote primarily on emotion and imagery with little thought to long term results.
To stay within the bounds of recent history, Bill Clinton was actually the promoter and signer of legislation that brought about the ability of the banking industry to involve itself in the selling of securities and derivatives to improve their profit margins. Add to that influence peddling on a global scale.
GW Bush sat idly by as abuses by the banking industry brought down world wide economies....and....convinced 70% of the US public that a major invasion of Iraq was necessary for peace ( how's that working out? )
Obama 'corrected' the economy by spending into such great debt, many economists seem to think reneging on them might be the only way out, now, add to that the missteps in foreign policy that had lead to ISIS and even greater unrest in Europe vs Russia.

Now the US has elected a man seen as a great business leader who succeeded by way of 'the art of the deal', which includes dubious deals, non payment of labor expenses and fraud settled out of court ( Trump University being a recent one ). Add to that the refusal to provide Federal Tax data and the knowledge Trump has very large holdings in Russia and is quite friendly and supportive of Russia's current leader, once a member of the KGB......and one should wonder if he's really any better for the job than H Clinton that helped push socialism to extremes, was involved in favoritism, and appeared to have committed traitorous actions in the Benghazi debacle.

My point.
If reality is ignored, we as a society, part of Western Civilization, are likely a concept doomed for a lot of pain. Economic, moral and yes, physical in terms of war.

My friend, of quite some time, whom I've discussed many political issues of the past, had only this reply as to his support of Trump in the face of a man once labeled a New York Liberal till he decided to run for President......

"I don't care"

Something to think about.
There are survivors and there are victims.
Ignorance breeds victims.

Welcome to neo-America where the Libertarian, Ron Paul, wrote of his distrust for democracy and the support for an intellectual aristocracy, not that much different from the neo-cons he railed against.

But isn't really an issue of poor education and general stupidity that has caused these above issues to manifest?
I think so. It took a steady decline in education and the 'explosion' of ignorance and emotions to get where we are.

I intend to be a survivor.
My friend can't even pay his electric bill and he has no excuses other than his blindness to reality in general.


Have a Nice day


John :)
 
#100 ·
Nice post, John. I like when people post well-articulated thoughts; regardless of whether I agree with all of them or not.

Since pre-election, all we seem to hear is disdain for Trump. However, what seems many times to be missing from the discussion is the extreme disdain for Hillary. Put another way, there was stronger disdain for Hillary than the current disdain for Trump. ;)

If we can survive the utter destruction from Obama, we can live through Trump, IMO. :)
 
#101 ·
Thanks for the kind words, Brad :)

As I'm more interested in 'what's going on' than arguing which candidate was better for the job ( it's rather obvious my position lol (neither) ) I think I'll bow out at the moment and let the forum practice patience with each other :p :)

If we can survive the utter destruction from Obama, we can live through Trump, IMO.
We will, I just don't like seeing the intense polarization that's been occurring over the past few decades.

John :)
 
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#102 ·
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We will, I just don't like seeing the intense polarization that's been occurring over the past few decades.

John :)
John, not to dismiss the rest of your post, but this.... is platinum. I was thinking about this very thing this morning.

In my life, it seems to me to really take hold during Clintons administration. It's became that there is an intense polarization of each party. Each side thinks the other side is Evil Incarnate.
:D
I think America will continue with this divisive politics until at least one additional legitimate party begins to develop.
 
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#108 ·
What's the problem with his tweets? Simply that he is a Republican?? ;)

No one seemed to have an issue with anything/everything Obama and Hillary said or Tweeted. And yes, for those that did not like them, they were as unpalatable as Trumps tweets are now.

I don't have much of an issue with them. There is no difference between the tweets and what a POTUS would say in an interview or through a "spokesperson".

Just my ever so humble opinion. :)
 
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#119 ·
Hello valis :)

I'll bite, but only out of curiosity.
Why do you think Trump will consider resigning?

John :)
I just don't think he ever expected this to happen, and also that his ego is not going to allow him to do what needs to be done. I think he's going to get creamed internationally and as a result, the domestic media will start, and I think he's just going to say to heck with this, let's go back to being real estate moguls and hosing everyone.

BUT........we'll see. :)
 
#118 ·
Despite all his millions and the electoral college results, he still has a slightly childish, "yar boo sucks to you" mentality. This will mean IMO that he will not relinquish his position for anything.
This will not mean that he will fail, he may well be a much better president than anyone imagines.
 
#122 ·
Well, same reason that the Patriots actually have to suit up this weekend for the Texans, there is a reason they play the game. ANYTHING can happen, and usually does. :)
 
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#126 ·
Good morning :)

Something to think about this cheery morning :D

Peter Thiel, the billionaire investor who was an advisor to President-elect Donald Trump and still appears to be:

I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself "libertarian."

But I must confess that over the last two decades, I have changed radically on the question of how to achieve these goals. Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible
Much like Ron Paul's Libertarian disdain for a democratic society and favoring rule by an intellectual aristocracy ( from his book, Liberty Defined where he never defines 'Liberty' )

Oh my!

( really glad I passed on the Presidential ticket last fall......none of this is my fault :D )

John ;)
 
#130 ·
Not speechless. Just waiting for the advent of the first constitutional crisis of this mediocre orange blob of carbon to take place. I suspect we'll not have to wait long. LOL
 
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