paulb100
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looking for a decent outgoing program control firewall I come across a thread on another forum where the users and OP were arguing amongst themselves, the discussion was about outgoing protection on firewalls being "useless" ...specifically if you are running your windows as an 'admin' like most window account do... as this means any rootkit etc can bypass your firewall anyway...
im just a little confused here.... do they mean running the computer under the hidden "super administrator" account? or just "regular" administrator account? - I ask because I run my Windows 7 x64 under the default it installs in which is 'regular' admin - all the files i have can be "run as administrator" so Im assuming that under this 'regular' admin account I dont really have 'admin' privelages... ...it all gets a bit confusing... I think what Iam trying to find out is:- am I wasting my time using an outgoing firewall? - if so, why then do they bother with them if they can be bypassed when windows default installs on an admin account? - OR why dont thet mention at install of firewall that account should be dropped to 'standard' account? (I notice Avira do this before...)
im just not convinced that malware can bypass my firewall/Anti-Virus because iam on the default windows installation account and the software company that owns that security could not tell me that its 'useless on current setup' - Avira is the ONLY prog to request drop privelages...
be great if someone could clear this up for me....
this is the topic i was reading
and this qoute (as well as many others) was what made me ask about it
I was going to install an outgoing program control firewall in case anything untoward I may run by accident on my system tries to 'phone home' or allow some hacker access, e.g. (scenario) run a keygen and it pops up "keygen.exe is trying to connect" then you know something untoward is trying to happen and its been stopped and you notified?
I just cant believe that all these software firewalls are 'poop' as the users on that forum make believe and that all your security can be bypassed on default windows installation user accounts because your regular admin. i dont want to join that forum and continue that debate cos by looks of it i will get my head taken off like the OP has .... poor bloke only wanted advice about a good light firewall,...
thanks
im just a little confused here.... do they mean running the computer under the hidden "super administrator" account? or just "regular" administrator account? - I ask because I run my Windows 7 x64 under the default it installs in which is 'regular' admin - all the files i have can be "run as administrator" so Im assuming that under this 'regular' admin account I dont really have 'admin' privelages... ...it all gets a bit confusing... I think what Iam trying to find out is:- am I wasting my time using an outgoing firewall? - if so, why then do they bother with them if they can be bypassed when windows default installs on an admin account? - OR why dont thet mention at install of firewall that account should be dropped to 'standard' account? (I notice Avira do this before...)
im just not convinced that malware can bypass my firewall/Anti-Virus because iam on the default windows installation account and the software company that owns that security could not tell me that its 'useless on current setup' - Avira is the ONLY prog to request drop privelages...
be great if someone could clear this up for me....
this is the topic i was reading
and this qoute (as well as many others) was what made me ask about it
is that person above just assuming that all infections are going to be undetectable rootkits that can bypass everything on your windows 'default' installation? whilst shutting your firewall down in the process? - if an outgoing firewall detects ONE thing then its been worth hvaing... he cant assume that all rootkits/infections are going to do this...Because people have become gullible - brainwashed into thinking that outgoing protection is going to save them from some nefarious root kit that is most likely already on their computer from visiting porn sites and/or just being stupid. All this outgoing "brouhaha" came about because of the panic driven/nefarious/marketing people like ["you know who"] and a host of other chicken littles who write security articles for magazines who "surprisingly" display ads for security sponsors ["you know who"].
As for why certain companies now sell outgoing protection - it probably makes good business sense. It really is fluff though. All good security guys know it is.Just like car alarms. Some one already stealing your car doesn't stop because your car alarm goes off. They simply disconnect it. It calms the illiterate masses,their lemming propensities and generates a ******** of revenue. Companies will sell the lemmings what the lemmings wants. Create some hysteria and watch the lemmings run off the cliff. They aren't responsible for every ones gullibility... Remember "Pet Rocks"? They weren't really pets ya know...
There is nothing wrong with the Microsoft Firewall. It stops the bad guys from getting in - once they are in there is really nothing you can do anyway.
I was going to install an outgoing program control firewall in case anything untoward I may run by accident on my system tries to 'phone home' or allow some hacker access, e.g. (scenario) run a keygen and it pops up "keygen.exe is trying to connect" then you know something untoward is trying to happen and its been stopped and you notified?
I just cant believe that all these software firewalls are 'poop' as the users on that forum make believe and that all your security can be bypassed on default windows installation user accounts because your regular admin. i dont want to join that forum and continue that debate cos by looks of it i will get my head taken off like the OP has .... poor bloke only wanted advice about a good light firewall,...
thanks