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Discussion in 'Multimedia' started by Un1corn, Jul 1, 2013.

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  1. Un1corn

    Un1corn Thread Starter

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    Hi Guys and Gals, I'm a new guy here so please be patient.
    Like many others I seem to have an Audio CD burning issue.
    I have a new HP g6 laptop with windows 8 and wish to create audio cd' of my old cassette tapes, I can create the CD having extracted the files I want using Audacity Software, The created CD runs fine on this laptop and even my very old Contessa PC Windows 98 OS but they will not run on my HIFi / Music Center. I have used Windows Media Player, Cyberlink and Torch to no avail. tried burning at slowest speed, still no luck.
    (Running low on discs now)
    The CD's are the same as I used on XP and on '98 which used the Sonic RecordNow burner and the CD's created all work on any CD player.
    I would be very grateful for any useful guidance.
    Thank you.

    Here is my system information FYI

    Tech Support Guy System Info Utility version 1.0.0.2
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows 8, 64 bit
    Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3210M CPU @ 2.50GHz, Intel64 Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9
    Processor Count: 4
    RAM: 6036 Mb
    Graphics Card: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000, -1984 Mb
    Hard Drives: C: Total - 932489 MB, Free - 877104 MB; D: Total - 20589 MB, Free - 2555 MB;
    Motherboard: Hewlett-Packard, 183F
    Antivirus: AVG Internet Security 2013, Updated and Enabled
     
  2. Oddba11

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    Are you creating/burning a CD in audio format? or burning mp3's to disc as data?

    If the discs are in audio format, they should work in any player. Test in other devices and see if they work. Not all devices support burned media. So assuming you are burning actual audio CD's, and the discs work in some devices and not others, you may need to change disc brands.
     
  3. Un1corn

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    Thank you for your info Oddball, Yes I am burning CD's in audio format the tracks are saved as .wav files then converted to a .cd a when burned, I am using the same brand CD's which previously worked on any machine when burned with Sonic RecordNow on an older XP OS pc. Regrettably I do not have access to other CD players now. Are there any preferred audio discs out there that seem more acceptable than others? Any further advice would welcome. Thanks again.
     
  4. Cinamyd

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    I usually use foobar2000.org with the CD Writer component available via Right click/Convert/Write Audio CD

    However, tools like imgburn and cdburnerxp can be OK for dragging files and writing an audio CD. Make sure the disc is finalized (closed session) or it won't work on an audio CD player.
     
  5. Un1corn

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    Thanks guys for your input, My next step is to ensure I use Audio/Music CD R's and take it from there, as I suspect the ones I have are Data CD R's. I will let you know how I get on, may not be for a few days though.
     
  6. Cinamyd

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    The industry created specific Audio CD-Rs which pay a royalty to the recording industry on the presumption that the users are pirating music so are more expensive, but they are otherwise no different to Data CD-Rs. For a short time, HiFi CD-R Audio Recorders were available that would only let you burn music onto Audio CD-Rs by detecting a special code in the disc identifier, to indicate that it wasn't a data CD, but people could simply buy regular Data CD-Rs to burn on their computers anyway.

    That's the type of media you buy. I believe there was for a time a tariff imposed in some countries on all CD-R's on the presumption that they were being used for piracy, so while British citizens would go to France to buy cheap alcohol with lower taxes, the French citizens would come the other way to buy cheap CD-Rs without the tariff so they could back up their data. USB drives and cloud storage probably put paid to that.

    It's only in the burning software that you need to select Audio CD as the type (as opposed to Data CD or MP3 CD or the less-supported UDF format). Audio CD is also known as Redbook CD audio. To make it play everywhere you should also ensure that you Close The Session - otherwise it'll only play on PCs, not Audio CD players.

    For Data CDs, such as MP3 CDs you can simply drag MP3 files to the blank disc to compile a collectino then burn them as a Data CD using your Operating System's native Data CD writing tool.
     
  7. Un1corn

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    Hi Cynamid, It appears that the Burning software namely "Windows Media Player" and "CyberLink Power2go" automatically close the recording session as the CD is ejected after burning, unless I am missing something here.

    Having tried ' music CD's ' the problem still persists "No play on DSSS" the CD's do play on my Set top Freeview/VHS/DVD Recorder box, which is only 2 years old.

    Technology moves on rapidly these days so maybe I have a hardware technology compatibility problem between my aged "DSSS" and my new Laptop rather than a software problem.

    Perhaps this is something that cannot be resolved after all, but I would still appreciate any constructive ideas put forward as the DSSS has sentimental value as a gift from my late wife and I would rather not discard it.
    Thanks.
     
  8. Cinamyd

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    It's certainly normal for most applications to close the session before ejecting.

    It might be worth mentioning the brand and model of your HiFi system or the CD deck if it's a separates system.

    There are certainly some HiFi decks that either demand 'audio CD-Rs' and many more, especially older ones, that don't support CD-Rs at all because they use dye layers to write the 1s and 0s on the disc and thus have reduced optical signal strength compared to pressed commercial CDs. Sometimes, the type of dye used can have a big impact as can the disc manufacturer (not necessarily the same as the brand printed on it).
     
  9. Un1corn

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    Thank again for your input, My Hi Fi system is a Sanyo DC-X750, it is an all in one unit and at guess must be 15 to 20 years old,
    Although the LED display is bit dim the system still works very well and the sound quality is perfectly adequate for my needs,
    So there you have it, the OLD and the NEW and ( maybe ) never the twain shall meet.
     
  10. Cinamyd

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    I can't find any references to its compatibility with CD-Rs online. The other option is to try to identify the material your CD-R is made from. I think some burning tools mention this in media properties, though it's rare. There used to be some resources for comparative performance of different dye types and manufacturers on long-defunct websites like one that was then called the Coaster Factory. I've been able to access old copies on archive.org, and one led me to this FAQ about media compatibility which may help you find a path to discovering a compatible CD-R type if one exists.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070106100211/http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq04.html#S4-23

    I have some fairly old players, and bought a stack of Taiyo-Yuden 52x CD-Rs from an online specialist some years ago, which seem compatible, though I rarely burn audio CDs now.
     
  11. Un1corn

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    Thanks for the additional input, I will read fully the article later today, the other point I hadn't mentioned is that music system says " NO DISC" when I press play after loading the CD. ? ? ?
     
  12. Cinamyd

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    NO DISC is exactly what I've seen when trying CD-RW discs in old players that don't support them. (It's also what I've seen when putting CD-Rs in where I didn't close the session.)

    One of the key points in the CD-R FAQ is that the visual appearance of the disc may help you identify the type of dye used, but how light or dark it appears bears little relation to its transparency or contrast in the near-infra-red, which is invisible to the eye, but is where the laser operates. Trying out one of each kind of CD-R with your player is probably the easiest way to test which kind it 'likes' if it's compatible with CD-R discs at all. It might be that it once was and the laser is considerably dimmer than it once was, though I'd imagine it would have a monitor photodiode at the rear facet to maintain its output power providing it doesn't exceed the drive current available to the controller.

    If you have no luck with trial and error, it might be worth asking in the appropriate sub-forum at hydrogenaudio.org, which is CD Hardware/Software where a lot of veterans of the defunct Coaster Factory and the EAC Forums still hang out and love to help. Be sure to read the Terms of Service if you sign up, as there are certain standards e.g. TOS#8 to keep quality of discussion high and to prevent unsubstantiated claims of quality which are often the result of unconscious human biases and misjudgement rather than truly auditory effects (which bog down discussions on certain other less scientifically-skeptical 'audiophile' forums). For the type of question of hardware compatibilty, there's not likely to be a problem complying with the TOS unless you make claims about the quality of CD-R audio versus something else or mention anything of dubious legality.
     
  13. Gomar

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    not all HI-FI players, car stereos, cd players, play cd-rs, nor mp3s, nor WAVs, nor FLAC.

    I have not seen audio CD-Rs in ages, nor 650mb, nor zip disks, nor ls-120, nor floppies.
     
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