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BATTLE FIELD 2 - gfx card HELP!

Discussion in 'Games' started by Kissyfur, Jul 25, 2006.

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  1. Kissyfur

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    Hi,

    I have a geforce4 mx440 so I can't even open BF2 atm. My system is Pentium 4 3.00Ghz, 512 DDR Ram, with AGP 8x for graphics.

    I have decided to upgrade so I can play it, right now I am making a choice between the

    ATI RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB
    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&item=290010183984&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

    ATI Radeon X1600 Pro IceQ 256MB
    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&item=220009059537&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1


    The 9800 Series is supported by BF2 (says so in the readme), while the x1600 isn't mentioned but is newer and has higher clock rates (while it is only 128-bit while I must admit i dont know what that means :D).

    I was wondering if anyone could advise me on the best choice. Keep in mind $250 (Australian is about my maximum for spending).

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  2. Jones

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    The 1600 is by far the better choice.
     
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    Also, 128 bit refers to the bus width of the memory. Most newer high-performance cards are 256 bit, but 128 still gives pretty good performance. Alot of people play BF2 with cards far worse than the 1600.
     
  4. Kissyfur

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    Thanks alot Jones. I was just wondering about the 128-bit over 256-bit.

    I looked up http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/131 - and saw the x1600 gives a transfer rate of 12.48 GB/s, while the 9800 gives 21.7 GB/s.

    So I was starting to lean back towards the 9800. You sound like you know what you are talking about so I will probably end up with a x1600 pretty soon! Thanks.

    ps. the thing that is throwing me off a bit is that the x1600 is a pretty recent card, yet it is far less expensive than what the 9800 retails at (even tho I would be getting a cheaper 9800). It's all pretty confusing to me :S
     
  5. Jones

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    Hey now, don't start saying stuff like that. That's how rumors get started! ;)

    Actually, after digging around, I found this site that sells to AU, and found the same card I have in my machine. Here:

    http://www.cworld.com.au/product_info.php?ID=121508

    Now, I know you've been looking at ATI cards, but I'm a big fan of nVidia products, and love this card. I can run Call of Duty 2 at max settings, Star Wars Battlefront II on max settings, Doom 3 on High, and I get no lag at all at 1024x768 and even 1280x1024. I think you might well consider this one. Also, I would be wary of buying things from eBay.

    Just a suggestion . . . :)
     
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    One more thing . . . ;)

    Sorry to overload you with posts, but knowledge is power when you're shopping for stuff like this.

    This site does side-by-side comparisons of all types of vid cards.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/index.html

    The 6800 XT isn't listed, but you can use the 6800 GT as a very close indication. My benchmarks of the XT agree with what the GT seems to get.
     
  8. Kissyfur

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    The more info the better!

    Thanks alot, I'll check it out.

    Oh and no I don't have a preference between Nvidia and ATi - I took a look at the 6800 XT at www.shopbot.com.au ..

    6800's seem to be out of my price range really (one of the first cards I was after was the 6800 GT).

    I searched for 6800 XT agp
    http://www.shopbot.com.au/default.asp?kw=6800XT+agp&position=search

    Looks like I can get one for about the same price as the x1600 - AU $200. But then again they seem to be 128mb - so wouldn't the x1600 be the better choice still??

    Also the thing that sort of 'freaks' me out is from the readme of BF2 which says:

    - Video Cards
    Battlefield 2 only supports the following video cards:
    Radeon X700 (PCIe)
    Radeon X600 (PCIe)
    GeForce 6600 (PCIe)
    GeForce PCX 5900 (PCIe)
    GeForce 5800 Series (AGP)
    ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition
    ATI Radeon X800 PRO
    ATI Radeon 9800 Series
    ATI Radeon 9600 Series
    ATI Radeon 9550 (RV350LX)
    ATI Radeon 9500 / 9700 Series
    ATI Radeon 8500 Series
    ATI Radeon X300 Series
    NVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra
    NVidia GeForce 6800 GT
    NVidia GeForce 6800
    NVidia GeForce FX 5950 Series
    NVidia GeForce FX 5900 Series
    NVidia GeForce FX 5700 Series


    Thanks again for all your help :)
     
  9. Kissyfur

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    I looked into all these cards and for AGP The beat deal for around the $200 mark is the 6800xt 126mb you won't notice the difference 128/256, you can get a 6800xt 128mb for $199 at gamedude.com.au and the 256mb for $239
    the 9800pro will play BF2 but only on MED settings with a good FPS the 6800xt should play MED/high
    now if you want the best AGP you will have to go to the 7800gs wich will set you back about $500 thats what i got and get a average about 70 FPS on high settings.
    I used to hve a 9700 pro 128mb and run at MED settings.
    also to search for the best prices in OZ try this site http://www.ausprices.com/

    here a list of sites i use to compare prices below

    http://gamedude.com.au/
    http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=4
    http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
    that about the lowest off my lot I look at
     
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    Did you check out the link to the online store I found? The 6800 XT with 256 mb memory and @256bit was less than $250.00, which you said was your limit.

    Also, you really don't need to worry too much about the BF2 'supported card' list. Really, what it's giving you is an idea of what will run it, and what will run it well. The older the card in the list, the worse performance you're going to get. As long as you're running an ATI or nVidia card that's newer than the lowest card on the list, you're okay. For good performance though, you should have a card at least in the top half of the list from each brand.
     
  12. Kissyfur

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    Wow ok, I didn't realise that was in Australian dollars, thanks!

    Well it's getting pretty late here, its 11:48PM, so I will have to digest all this information tomorrow. Thanks alot for all your help.

    Right now I guess I will have to consider the 6800XT, the x1600PRO, and a friend recommended the powercolor x800 GT Extreme agp.

    The 9800Pro is almost wiped out, don't think I will be considering it anymore. It seems I can get the 6800XT, x1600PRO, x800 - all around the same price - so hopefully I can work out which one is superior.

    You guys have been very helpful thanks again!

    Also thanks colmaca for that ausprices site, looks very helpful.
     
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    Hey, no problem. Those are all good cards, so I don't think you'll regret any of them.

    My two cents: nVidia :D
     
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    The 128mb 6800XT seems the way to go (just deciding between leadtec or XFX board, and the 128 vs 256). I can get a 256mb for around another 40-50 dollars. The x800 GTO also came up well (It has very high ratings, and is about $200 for a 256mb model, so its cheaper aswell + seems to have higher clock rates and pixels per clock).

    Getting alot closer, thanks alot for you help guys.
     
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