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The original 9000 (except for the 9500 Pro and up, & excluding the 9600 Pro/9800 series) series was a joke like the GF4 MX & 5200s are now. Like I showed before, outside of the 9100 Pro, the whole 9000 series should be priced much lower in our opinion. You wonder why we (at the shop) are getting grumpy? For reliability/stability we ALWAYS go with ATI. The pricing to performance ratio over the previous series is starting to cost ATI some sales worldwide. "A rumor that ATI and NVIDIA met to discuss cooling the competition down until card sales start catching up with the production market is floating around, NVIDIA won't comment."
 
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I doubt that rumor... ATI wants to gain market share, in which the 9700 & 9500 has saved their skiin. Nvidia has lost money because their $400 Ti4600 was HALF the performance of the ATI card... Currently they are both neck and neck.

The problem with what they are doing, especially Nvidia is not quite the rate of new products... but how many. In the old days, it was 1-2 years before each of the Voodoo or TNT series cards. Now its 3-4 products every 4 months.

While I understand the MARKETING reason for the confusing model names of the GF4mx series (repackaged GF2 cards) - I hate it as it tricks people and its kinda costly. I would think it would be cheaper to simply keep making the older chips longer - and not waste time making 3-5 varients of the same product. Of course the entry into the low-end caused this.

It was easier in the old days... Trident, Cirrus Logic, WD, etc were low end standard use cards (but they played Doom and Quake1 fine)... Why not simply continue making the exact same product... then you KNOW that a game is designed to WORK on a GF4 or better - rather than SOME GF4... thats why the GF3 is better than ANY GF4-mx card, but people bought the MXs anyways... just like those who buy the fx5200 (GF5) over a cheaper Ti4200 which smokes it.

Whats worse is the confusing varients of a line... the MX200/400 was the start... they should has simply kept the MX as "mx" and made the 200 a "SX". :) To today, we have about 5 fx5200s, 4-5 fx5600 and 3-4 fx5900... its so bad, Nvidia doesn't know.

With older cards, like with the GF4 series and below, they LIST the tech specs among the cards - you can look at the data and SEE the difference between the Ti4200/4600/4800 etc... same with the MX420/440se(repacked mx420)/440 & 460. Hey, wasn't it SICKLY funny to repackage the 4600 as the 4800 (added 8x AGP support which added less than 1% performance boost) and the renamed 4400 into the 4800LE (which of course was slower than the original 4600).

Now, when you TRY to look at the SPECS on the 5200/5600 & 5900 - they only LIST ONE PRODUCT, and its their ULTRAS! Wheres all the USER friendly data?

5200 appears to come in these flavors:

64bit -64mb
64bit - 128mb
128bit - 64mb
128bit - 128mb
128bit - 128mb Ultra (fastest, but slower than Ti4200)

The fx5600 Comes in:
5600 - 128
5600 - 256
5600 - Ultra 128 (original - should be rare)
5600 - Ultra 128 FC (Flip chip, must faster)
5600 - Ultra 256 FC (less than 1% performance increase)

Fx5700 - this has been bounced around.

The fx 5900 series:

5900 - Value 64/128 (defective 5900/ultras at standard speed) - aimed at OEMs.
5900 - 128mb
5900 - Ultra 128mb
5900 - Ultra 256mb

Total = 14. Not including the upcoming SE series of ALL of the above! And this is added to the currently shipping Mx420/440/440se series.

They should keep it simple... Selling the GF2-Ti for $30, GF3-200 for $50~60 and the Ti4200 for $100, 5600 = $134, 5600 Ultra $200 and something for $300.

But they may never go back to a simpler system anytime soon :(

Argh.. bad day.
 
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I bought a FX 5200 AGP Graphic Card W/256mb from Sams Club for $89.00. I have a Geforce4 mx420 in my machine now..will I see much improvement with the FX 5200?
 
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Yes... its easily a faster card than the MX420.... but I wouldn't call it $90 better. The 3+ year old GeForce4 Ti4200 is still about 3 times faster than the 5200 (with 128bit memory). Also, if your overall system is not up to par, it might not make much difference (ie: If you have a 128mb P3-600Mhz).

Mail order an ATI 9600 (standard or PRO - not the SE!) or about $100 or a $70 Ti4200 is ya can find one.
 
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compilerxp said:
Yes... its easily a faster card than the MX420.... but I wouldn't call it $90 better. The 3+ year old GeForce4 Ti4200 is still about 3 times faster than the 5200 (with 128bit memory). Also, if your overall system is not up to par, it might not make much difference (ie: If you have a 128mb P3-600Mhz).

Mail order an ATI 9600 (standard or PRO - not the SE!) or about $100 or a $70 Ti4200 is ya can find one.
The 4200 is not dx9 compatible?
 
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The Ti4200 is DX9 compatible, as is the GF1,2, etc...

It is not able to display DX9 graphic effects.... but THAT doesn't matter with the 5200 which doesn't have the horse power to PLAY DX9 at its full abilities.

A Good DX8 card playing at 70fps is FAR better than a low-end DX9 card that can only do 10fps. Unless you have a 5600Ultra, anything BELOW that is slower than the TI4200 video cards.

There are MANY factors to gettings a GOOD video card.. for the money.

A 256mb 5200 is still a DOWNGRADE from a 64mb Ti4200. Even the 5700Le/Se is still a worse product for gaming than the old Ti4200.

A 9600SE is still SLOWER than the 9200Pro.
 
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