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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by MotoMan, Feb 11, 2007.

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  1. MotoMan

    MotoMan Thread Starter

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    Hey guys, been awhile since I have been on the boards. Nice to see everyone is still as helpfull as always. :)

    I am building my first machine from scratch. The machine will be used for some gamming (which will be new to me, as I haven't really got into computer gaming until now), video editing, picture editing, and other normal stuff.

    Here is my list of componets. Let me know what you think!

    Western Digital / Caviar SE16 / 500GB / 7200 / 16MB / SATA-300 / OEM / Hard Drive

    Asus A8N 32-SLI-Deluxe NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard

    AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 2.60GHz OEM Processor (Dual core)

    Ultra PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory (2 gigs worth)

    Ultra X-2 Connect 550-Watt ATX 120mm Fan Modular Power Supply

    Ultra eTorque Black Mid-Tower ATX Case with Front USB, FireWire and Clear Side

    A179-2008 :: Acer AL2017BMD / 20" / 8ms / 600:1 / SXGA+ 1400 x 1050 / DVI-D · VGA / Black / LCD Monitor with Speakers (16 lbs) (not using the "onboard" speakers)

    P450-7920 :: XFX GeForce 7900 GT / 256MB GDDR3 / SLI / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV / Video Card (1.55 lbs)


    The only thing that I have done research on and worries me a little, is the MOB. I have read good reviews and i have read some HORRIBLE ones. What is all of your experiances with this board? Is there another board I sould consider that may be a better choice?

    Here is a link to the "barebone" package that includes the board: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2848577&sku=A455-2124 B
     
  2. bigbear

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    Overall should work fine, but could already be out of date
    939 pin cpu's are all ready starting to be faised out, if you want to future proof for a while choose a 940 AM2 board that also supports DDR2 ram
    Also I have never heard of that make of ram, make sure the ram you buy is compatable with the board.
    Asus is up there for quality boards.
    BTW I have noticed that there has not been very good feedback about Tigerdirect, most people on your side of the pond seem to prefer Newegg
     
  3. telegramsam

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    A couple of issues with that barebones kit.

    Ultra power supplies aren't very good quality. The ASUS board is just fine, good quality.

    Right now the Core 2 Duo by Intel is outperforming the AMD dual cores. Before you pull the trigger on this, look at the E6300 and E6600 with Intel motherboards or ASUS boards with Intel chipsets. It's worth a look.

    The 7900GT is a good card, and you have a good hard drive.

    With that barebones you get DDR 400 memory. That's kinda old school these days. If you stay away from the barebones, go with DDR2 667. Quite a bit faster than the DDR400.

    You haven't made bad choices, but I think that with the $700 you're looking at here, you could do better with your money.
     
  4. telegramsam

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    This all came to $600 at Newegg. It's a Core 2 Duo, which will at LEAST match and FX60, probably outperform it. This is for TWO GB of RAM instead of one, and a high quality power supply that is known to work well in gaming/high end machines. The only component this doesn't have is the case, but you're $89 less than that barebone now. Not saying this is what you NEED to have, there's certainly nothing wrong with that FX60 on the Nforce board. But right now, here's a much better setup for the money:

    CPU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115005
    Intel Board: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813121035
    RAM: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145098
    Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817139001

    Btw: Don't forget an optical drive and operating system...
     
  5. gotrootdude

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    The athlon64 4200+ X2 pretty much runs neck and neck in performance to the E6300 Core2 that was pointed out.

    Even though I have no doubt that the FX-60 (if over-clocked) would perform better than the E6300 that's linked to, I believe you'd be better off looking at the 4600+ Athlon64 X2 AM2.

    PS, I'd wait till the end of next week to buy a cpu anyway. I heard a little bird whispering in my ear that AMD is going to cut the cost 15-20% on the 12th of Feb, and it will give time for the market to adjust.

    By the way, you might want to hold off on the Nvidia vid card as well. At least until the vista certification and DirectX10 fiasco is fixed by them.

    What I would do is go with one of the geforce 6150 based motherboards like this, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131014
    , and use it for a while while waiting on the vid card thing to settle out. You can add another vid card later. This board will allow use of both the onboard 6150 vid, and a added PCIe card simultaneously. You can also use the vga, component, DVI, and Svideo simultaneously, so with a extra card, you could hook up a few displays. It also has firewire, IR, and a s/pdif header, and handles S3 resume properly for wake from remote.
     
  6. gotrootdude

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    Oh, I did notice the first motherboard you picked out was a SLI board. I'm not really that hot on SLI at this time. Reason being is the external PCIe spec has just come down, which should allow the video card and it's power supply to be liberated from the main PC case in the future, and SLI isn't really cost effective, since the price of two vid cards doesn't equal 2X performance, since you'd need a monster power supply, good cooling, etc.

    For the OS, consider using OpenSuse 10.2 with cedega for gaming. If your that much into graphics, you'll love Beryl running on Suse. You might even invest in a cheap win-tv go and install mythtv to put the component outputs to use.

    I think you'd be better off with a Seagate or Maxtor drive.

    Ultra Cases have proven to me that they aren't good quality, and steel cases stink. I'd suggest this: http://www.svc.com/rc-631-kwn1.html
    All Aluminum, clear side, great quality, and it's on sale!

    Pick up this water cooler while your there: http://www.svc.com/rl-huc-e8u1.html
    It works great with the case.
     
  7. MotoMan

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    Thanks for all the replies guys. The info you have given me has made rethink my purchases a bit. (And spend more money. :D)

    Here is my current build:

    SONY 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Write Black IDE Model DRU120C
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827131039

    XION Onyx XON-303 Black/Blue Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811208021

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3400620AS 400GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148138

    SCEPTRE X20WG-Naga Black 20.1" 5ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824112006

    CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817139001

    CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145590

    EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813188009

    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115003

    ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835186134


    Thoughts Please. :) My only concern is that the Power supply may not be big enough? Give me your thoughts and suggestions please.
     
  8. MotoMan

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    That PSU is an excellent choice. What graphics card will you be using?
     
  10. telegramsam

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    :eek: That's fast RAM.. That's really hobbyist and overclocking RAM. I'd call that overkill. DDR2 800 is about right for your system.

    You didn't list a video card on this list. Since you're building a 400lb gorilla, are you going for the 8800GTX? That PSU will power it.

    Are you planning on overclocking?

    Put me down for jealous. NICE system!
     
  11. MotoMan

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    I forgot to list the video card.

    XFX PVT71GUQL3 GeForce 7900GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814150195

    Just going to run one for now, I am running into a money issue. lol

    I did however swap out the one 400gig drive for 2 250 gigs.....I am going to attempt running in Raid 0 with them.....Never tried running RAID before so should be interesting. I also upgraded the power supply to this:

    Thermaltake W0106RU Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version 700W Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817153039

    I am just under 2K for the whole system thru Newegg....I must say you can save some serious monies building your own machine.
     
  12. telegramsam

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    I think you're in great shape. Your board has full RAID support onboard, so that should work out good. Remember that you'll need to install the driver during the Windows install--F6...

    Again, that RAM is $371, while the DDR2 800 is $207. You certainly don't NEED DDR2 1066. But it works in the board, so if you want it, get it.
     
  13. MotoMan

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    Yeah I downgraded to the 800....like you said I think it was overkill on the ram for that processor. I was just kinda going Hog wild last night and specing out top notch....no need for it, so I saved myself some money. I think I will upgrade to this video card with my saved money on ram, and possibly look for a better lcd as well.

    What do you mean by install the driver during windows install F6?? I am WAY new to the whole Raid thing, and I am unsure what I am doing. lol
     
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    Nice case...

    When you install Windows, right at the beginning of the installation, it will say at the bottom: If you need to install a third party raid or scsi driver, press F6 now. Have your driver disk ready. Follow the instructions from there. Read your manual carefully before you install the OS.

    I've only done a couple of RAID setups myself, but they went well.

    Good call on the video card. It is a good upgrade from the 256MB card.
     
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