Can I downgrade to Windows 8.1?

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That's obvious. The point is that an upgrade is inevitable.

'Inevitable'.
:D
Sophistry, I love it lol!
By definition, the inevitable is unavoidable. That's not an issue in this discussion.
At issue is the timeline and it's length before the 'end (of support) cometh'.

There is a good argument to upgrade Win 7.

A big issue for most users concerns timeliness.
Another is usability.
Currently, for Win 8.1 users, MS support still exists and won't be ending soon, but for Win 7, MS support has ended and is potentially more prone to malware and intrusion.

Of course there are exceptions.
I still use Win 7 and probably will for a number of years.
But it's used exclusively off-line as a standalone and never sees a network connection.
It does all that I need for it's purpose.
The hardware/software only has ~3500 hours on it and it's going on 9 years old.
I don't intend on upgrading any time soon lol.

Cookiegal has shown to be competent and knowledgeable of security and computing issues, past and present.
In her situation with Win 8.1, she simply doesn't see any reason for her to upgrade to Win 10 any time soon.

Change for the sake of change seems illogical to me. Un-needed and too often frustrating.

'Soon' is a relative term. As I pointed out. Context is everything.

And there is a practicality to waiting.
Correction of faulty code.
Like the issue of turning on the default sandbox in Win 10.

Windows 10 Sandbox activation enables zero-day vulnerability
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...ox-activation-enables-zero-day-vulnerability/

'Upgrade till it's broken and then fix it.' :D

Just don't wait too long.
 
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'Inevitable'.
:D
Sophistry, I love it lol!
By definition, the inevitable is unavoidable. That's not an issue in this discussion.
At issue is the timeline and it's length before the 'end (of support) cometh'.

There is a good argument to upgrade Win 7.

A big issue for most users concerns timeliness.
Another is usability.
Currently, for Win 8.1 users, MS support still exists and won't be ending soon, but for Win 7, MS support has ended and is potentially more prone to malware and intrusion.

Of course there are exceptions.
I still use Win 7 and probably will for a number of years.
But it's used exclusively off-line as a standalone and never sees a network connection.
It does all that I need for it's purpose.
The hardware/software only has ~3500 hours on it and it's going on 9 years old.
I don't intend on upgrading any time soon lol.

Cookiegal has shown to be competent and knowledgeable of security and computing issues, past and present.
In her situation with Win 8.1, she simply doesn't see any reason for her to upgrade to Win 10 any time soon.

Change for the sake of change seems illogical to me. Un-needed and too often frustrating.

'Soon' is a relative term. As I pointed out. Context is everything.

And there is a practicality to waiting.
Correction of faulty code.
Like the issue of turning on the default sandbox in Win 10.

Windows 10 Sandbox activation enables zero-day vulnerability
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...ox-activation-enables-zero-day-vulnerability/

'Upgrade till it's broken and then fix it.' :D

Just don't wait too long.
That's not sophistry given the fact that you just defined what I said.

I don't remember the OP stating that the machine will be used only offline.

Malware can be distributed offline as well.

Your claim that context is everything is pointless because the OP didn't given any context. The only context you've been talking about are yours and Cookiegal's.
 

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That's not sophistry given the fact that you just defined what I said.

I don't remember the OP stating that the machine will be used only offline.

Malware can be distributed offline as well.

Your claim that context is everything is pointless because the OP didn't given any context. The only context you've been talking about are yours and Cookiegal's.

Again, context is everything.
I gave context.
As pointed out, you crossed the boundaries of it and have gone to meandering.

I don't remember the OP stating that the machine will be used only offline.
I don't remember that either.
And if you reread the thread, the OP absolutely does not.
Obviously you have issues with absolutes and exceptions. I can't help you there :)

Malware can be distributed offline as well.
Indeed it can. But not in my specific case.
If you'd like a discussion, we can do it in private or start a new thread :)

The only context you've been talking about are yours and Cookiegal's.
Thank you.
Indeed. The issue of timeliness.
That you seem to have an issue with.
:)
 

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hat's pointless because you can argue that anything beyond the present is not soon.
No you can't. You are being argumentative just for the sake of arguing which is disruptive in the technical threads. If you want to debate the definition of the word "soon" then start a new thread for that purpose in the Controversial Topics forum.

This is becoming a pattern of behaviour on your part and it takes threads off-topic and then the original poster never returns because of the disruption. This is not the type of atmosphere we want to provide for those seeking help here.
 
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No you can't. You are being argumentative just for the sake of arguing which is disruptive in the technical threads. If you want to debate the definition of the word "soon" then start a new thread for that purpose in the Controversial Topics forum.

This is becoming a pattern of behaviour on your part and it takes threads off-topic and then the original poster never returns because of the disruption. This is not the type of atmosphere we want to provide for those seeking help here.
It's pointless because there's no schedule for the time malware is developed and deployed, and security updates are needed to plug vulnerabilities in systems that are exploited by such.
 

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It's pointless because there's no schedule for the time malware is developed and deployed, and security updates are needed to plug vulnerabilities in systems that are exploited by such.

That argument only works when/if the operating system is no longer supported.
Win 8.0, 7, XP would be in that class.

As to Win 8.1, your argument has no value. It's still under extended support for at least another 2 years.
And that's not under a consideration of being done 'soon' as you claimed.

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That argument only works when/if the operating system is no longer supported.
Win 8.0, 7, XP would be in that class.

As to Win 8.1, your argument has no value. It's still under extended support for at least another 2 years.
And that's not under a consideration of being done 'soon' as you claimed.

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I'm referring to the point when that support ends.

Also, there's cost. For now, the upgrade is free, but who knows if they'll start charging for it?
 
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