Coronavirus spread to EU/USA

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It's too early to talk about a booster shot. The delta variant has already peaked in the U.K. It will probably be a wait and see in the U.S. until they see if the delta variant peaks there also.

Sincerely, that's not for you to decide and the situation in the UK is not the same as the US.
The UK has a higher rate of the fully vaccinated.

And waiting for a pandemic to peak before addressing it doesn't seem logical.
 
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Sincerely, that's not for you to decide and the situation in the UK is not the same as the US.
The UK has a higher rate of the fully vaccinated.

And waiting for a pandemic to peak before addressing it doesn't seem logical.
What do mean waiting for the pandemic to peak? In the U.S. new COVID-19 cases peaked in January, 2021 and deaths peaked in February 2021. Right now the delta variant is causing a relatively small increase in new cases. There have little no no increase in deaths.

You are right. The situation in the U.S and U.K. are different. Right now the new cases in the U.K. peaked 10 days ago. Nobody knows when these new cases in the U.S. will peak or how high the peak will be. Even if they started today it would take at least 2 months to roll out and give a booster shot. By then the new cases may have subsided to pre-delta variant levels. Also what if in a few months another new variant comes along? Then what should we do? Minimally we would have to test the original vaccines and boosters against the new variant and then a few months decide whether we needed new vaccines and boosters. In any even it may be a no win situation until enough people are vaccinated and herd immunity is reached.
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Johnny b

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It's too early to talk about a booster shot. The delta variant has already peaked in the U.K. It will probably be a wait and see in the U.S. until they see if the delta variant peaks there also.
What do mean waiting for the pandemic to peak?
You posted it, not I.


You are right. The situation in the U.S and U.K. are different.
Indeed. And you skipped over the issue of vaccination rates.
In the US, States with the lowest vaccination rates seem to be considered at the greatest risk to the Delta variant.
Knowing the typical mass media outlet might offend you, I chose this one, but it's mostly the same at most news sites:

Low vaccination rates, Delta variant fuel surge in new COVID-19 cases across the South
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...ant-fuel-surge-cases-across-south/7967943002/

For months it felt like life had returned to normal. COVID-19 vaccines were readily available and as a result new case numbers were falling nationally.

But that sense of optimism has faded across the country as new cases linked to the highly infectious Delta variant are on the rise and disproportionately affecting unvaccinated populations.

It’s a precarious situation across several Southern states where health workers continue to battle rampant vaccine hesitancy and misinformation, resulting in some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country.

When/if the booster is offered, I will be taking it.
And imo, it's worth knowing of the situation and discussing how to address it before it peaks.
Of course, it does take as much as several weeks to become effective, and it won't help the infected.....it's a vaccine, not a cure.
But masks and social distancing is a good idea, also.
 

Johnny b

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And of course, it's also a good idea to be prepared in case there is another deadly Covid-19 variant in the future.
Do we wait for it to peak, or do the science and prepare much the same way it's done for what we've become accustomed to...seasonal influenza?

I take a flu shot every fall.
Do you think the public should wait till they get sick?
 

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Note that the last few posts have been transferred to this thread in Controversial Topics for discussion as they didn't suit the original thread in the Personal Announcements forum.
 

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MisterEd, here's something to ponder while you wait for that Delta variant peak.

Note: the article appears on a Fox news site.

Delta variant viral load 1,000 times higher than original coronavirus strain
https://www.foxla.com/news/delta-va...times-higher-than-original-coronavirus-strain

The fast-spreading delta variant of the novel coronavirus has been gaining traction worldwide since it was first detected in India, and now researchers may have an idea of why: Its viral load is 1,000 times higher than the original strain of the virus.


The delta variant is a mutated version of the novel coronavirus that spreads more easily than other strains. It now accounts for an estimated 83% of COVID-19 cases in the United States as it continues to surge largely among unvaccinated populations, officials said.

......the delta variant can replicate at a much faster rate than the original strain, making the mutation much more infectious, according to the study.
That was posted 6 days ago.
But now there is more to that story.
It's now being reported vaccinated people are at risk for a low level Delta infection and can also spread the Delta variant.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ce-for-vaccinated-people-including-in-schools


It's looking like the gift that keeps on giving.

And you really think we should wait for a peak to decide what to do?
And what about the next Covid-19 peak?
Or the next after that?


( think 'gain of function' and what it really means in scientific context )
 
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Just got call from brother in Waco - he has CV-19. His wife just got out of hospital with unrelated problems, but not yet tested for Covid, but bro suspects she's got it, too. Brother is 83, wife is 85. Both had Pfizer in late Feb. 2021. He was tested in clinic yesterday as was feeling bad and got the positive results this morning. Not in hospital, but says he feels like crap and was hoarse, coughing and sniffling.(n)
 

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I'm sorry to hear that too Wayne and hope they make a full recovery quickly.
 

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..................... Nobody knows when these new cases in the U.S. will peak or how high the peak will be. Even if they started today it would take at least 2 months to roll out and give a booster shot. By then the new cases may have subsided to pre-delta variant levels. Also what if in a few months another new variant comes along? Then what should we do? Minimally we would have to test the original vaccines and boosters against the new variant and then a few months decide whether we needed new vaccines and boosters. In any even it may be a no win situation until enough people are vaccinated and herd immunity is reached.
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Even if they started today it would take at least 2 months to roll out and give a booster shot.
Do you understand what the term 'booster shot' entails?
This isn't a trick question
Let me help you.
It's another shot of the vaccine.
Are you aware there is more supply than currently being used , largely because politics has entered the scene and elements of the population are following misinformation generated by politicians and news sources aligned with Trumplican philosophy, meaning, resist all expert advice in order to destroy the current government's attempts to successfully seek herd immunity ......with the least loss of life.
ie. Biden must fail.


Vaccine is going to waste as it's expiration dates expire.
Lots of examples here:
https://news.google.com/search?for=covid+vaccine+going+to+waste&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en


By then the new cases may have subsided to pre-delta variant levels.
Ah....the 'if' game.
And this is your rationale for not preparing for the future while facing a pandemic with a rapidly mutating virus?
A little critical thinking, MisterEd....please.
For decades, scientists and virologists have studied viral diseases and projected likely mutations and been able to formulate vaccines to meet the changes.

(edit: Comment removed, a wee bit of exaggeration lol ))

The process is called 'gain of function' and has nothing to do with the act of weaponizing virus.
Rand Paul misrepresented the intentions of the process and misled about Fauci's role.
Don't believe me......check out the context of the terms as it applies to medical research.
Let me help you again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_of_function
Gain-of-function research (GoF research or GoFR) is medical research that genetically alters an organism in a way that may enhance the biological functions of gene products. This may include an altered pathogenesis, transmissibility, or host range, i.e. the types of hosts that a microorganism can infect. This research is intended to reveal targets to better predict emerging infectious diseases and to develop vaccines and therapeutics. For example, influenza B can only infect humans and harbor seals.[1] Introducing a mutation that would allow influenza B to infect rabbits in a controlled laboratory situation would be considered a "gain of function" experiment as the virus did not previously have that function.[2][3] That type of experiment could then help reveal which parts of the virus are responsible for its host range, enabling the creation of antiviral medicines which block this function.[3]

In virology, gain-of-function research is employed with the intention of better understanding current and future pandemics.[4] In vaccine development, gain-of-function research is conducted in the hope of gaining a head start on a virus and being able to develop a vaccine or therapeutic before it emerges.
Can it be used illegally? Of course. That's why there is oversight.

But you didn't even consider usage of this tool.
You argue to wait for the peak and then argue it's then too late to do anything about it.


Then what should we do? Minimally we would have to test the original vaccines and boosters against the new variant and then a few months decide whether we needed new vaccines and boosters.
See how silly and dangerous to a society that line of thinking can become with out consideration of how vaccines are generated to meet future mutations, like seasonal influenza, that we've become accustomed to?

In any even it may be a no win situation until enough people are vaccinated and herd immunity is reached.
Let me ask you this....what the hell are you going to do when a mutated virus is immune to a current vaccine????
Simply watch the dying cycle all over again?



MisterEd, I hope you come back to address those points but I suspect you won't.
But they are points I felt needed to be addressed.
 
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Johnny b

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Luck?

Headline says a lot for Floridians and it's not good:

Florida reports single-day increase of 21,683 new COVID-19 cases, most since start of pandemic
https://www.local10.com/news/local/...-covid-19-cases-most-since-start-of-pandemic/

On Saturday, the state reported 21,683 new cases, the highest one-day total since the pandemic began.

The state’s positivity rate has also surged to 18.1 percent, and cases are rising among children.

The Florida Hospital Association reported more than 8,800 COVID-19 hospitalizations last week, and cases are also rising at children’s hospitals.


It's all Biden's fault ( :rolleyes: )
Florida governor blocks school mask mandates, says parents can choose
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fl...rents-choice-mask-children-school-2021-07-30/

Florida Gov. DeSantis invalidates COVID rules statewide: No need to police people 'at this point'
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...signs-bill-limit-emergency-powers/4921768001/

And of course the Carlson mentality:

Tucker: Democrats rode virus panic all the way to the White House
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-democrats-rode-virus-panic-all-the-way-to-the-white-house

We're watching the lunatics in charge of our country spiral even deeper by the day into madness and as we watch that, we feel a duty on this show to keep track of their decline.

We do this to assemble a permanent historical record of the craziness, if only for the amusement of future generations
And that's just a small 'taste' of Trumplican insanity.

What?
No mention of Trump's Covid expert, the Voodoo priestess?
UV light bulbs up the fanny?
Clorox and Lysol injections?
Or those fish tank meds?

Yeah, all funny till the dying kept raging on. :rolleyes:

So let's do a 'Carlson' and blame it on Biden <sarcasm>
 

Johnny b

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A bit more on the defacto Covid superspreader, Ron DeSantis:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs order that would strip schools of funding for imposing a mask mandate for students
https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-signs-bill-block-school-mask-mandates-2021-7


  • Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Friday signed an order prohibiting schools in the state from mandating masks.
  • Florida schools that implement a mask mandate run the risk of losing state funding.
  • The move came days after the CDC recommended that students and staff mask up when they return to classes.


"We think that's the most fair way to do it," DeSantis said Friday.......

In what way is it fair to impose the risk of infection and death on any human being, let alone children?


From the acceptance of an ex-President leading a failed insurrection to mandates that put school children at risk, there is something terribly wrong within our society.
 

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I know AZ is not doing better but this is ridiculous

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Just add to the misery of my 1mo PTO/vacation…
 

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