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That already happened Nov. 7, 2016 re dark ages return. LOL

Just left Doc office after check up - office filled with sick people. I expect I'll have the flu by next week, but not corona (I hope).
 
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I'm not so much afraid as I am concerned.

It would be interesting to see the take on vaccinations against coronavirus infection by the anti-vaxxers and Christian Science type cults.

I see the Health Ranger ( Mike Adams ) is still at it with his nonsense.
https://healthrangerreport.com/

And now I see Adams has aligned himself with Alex Jones ( :eek: :D :mad: )
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-coronavirus-facts-and-misinformation/

"It's over for humanity," Mike Adams declared the other day. The self-proclaimed Health Ranger and one of the internet's more prolific conspiracy-mongers offered a dark prophecy. "There will only be lone survivors. The strategy must now shift. You can be a survivor. We can help you survive, the information here at Infowars and what I do."
Infowars:
https://www.infowars.com/coronavirus-chinese-espionage-behind-wuhan-bioweapon/
Coronavirus: Chinese Espionage Behind Wuhan Bioweapon

Well.........hmmmm.......
 
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Sad as it may be, corona may thin the herd of anti-vaccers.
 
#7 ·
To develop a cure it can take up to 10 years or even more.
HIV dates almost a century back and still no cure.

except this cause is a killer virus, and already surpassed SARS.
 
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Several years ago went thru a bout of MRSA on my left knee I picked up on a job while in Miami. Left two large scars. Medical facilities treated me like I was radio active. Six or so months after infection cured, was in hospital for hernia operation - during pre-op the MRSA came up and I had a small pimple on top of my left ear. Operation was cancelled and I was asked to come back in a couple of weeks after testing. It was negative. With COPD, the last thing I need is the flu.
 
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Agreed.
Both, initial denial of severity and de-funding of health agencies, have led to unnecessary deaths and greater damage to our economy.

Trump didn't cause the pandemic, but his initial actions and reactions did cause greater damage from the pandemic.

IMO, another troubling concern is that a large segment of our society denies the above and supports what (edit)little Trump has done.
Edit: and not done!!!

Trump's Popularity Ticks Up During Coronavirus Crisis
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-popularity-ticks-up-during-coronavirus-crisis-11585252376
WASHINGTON-More Americans are taking a favorable view of President Trump's leadership as he navigates the novel coronavirus pandemic, with some measures of support hitting or tying all-time highs.
(paywall)

President Trump's Job Approval Rating Up to 49%
https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/president-trump-job-approval-rating.aspx
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- President Donald Trump may be enjoying a small rally in public support as the nation faces the COVID-19 pandemic. Forty-nine percent of U.S. adults, up from 44% earlier this month, approve of the job Trump is doing as president. Trump also had 49% job approval ratings -- the best of his presidency -- in late January and early February around the time of the Senate impeachment trial that resulted in his acquittal.


Radical Nationalism ( aka fascism ) has become acceptable to many US citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism
 
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I'm waiting with anticipation for the idiot to fire Birx and Fauci for making orange sphincter look bad - not that he needs any help.

The stimuli / bailout and the fact the Fed has shot it's wad of tools already, we best hope this gets controlled soon or we're in for some real hurt thanks to the bumbling twit. Powell made a yuge mistake when he dropped interest rates a half point leaving not much room to maneuver if economy doesn't respond to stimuli.

I have to make a quick run today to pick up some items ordered on line from Sam's Club for pick up yesterday. This will be my first venture into the wild since Friday 13th - not looking forward to the venture - from what I've heard from friends and relatives that have ventured out - people still rude and crazy. My trip to the grocery on 13th was filled with shame by the actions of others - again, makes me understand better how this idiot prez got elected.
 
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Trump and his minions through out our government have driven us into what is likely less than third world status in a matter of months , and all Trump responds is that he doesn't take responsibility, it's Obama's fault.
It wasn't.
Trump and his minions lied about a lot.
And now the US suffers for it.

The coronavirus test that wasn't: How federal health officials misled state scientists and derailed the best chance at containment

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ched-rollout-derailed-containment/5080781002/
 
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Trump and his minions through out our government have driven us into what is likely less than third world status in a matter of months , and all Trump responds is that he doesn't take responsibility, it's Obama's fault.
It wasn't.
Trump and his minions lied about a lot.
And now the US suffers for it.

The coronavirus test that wasn't: How federal health officials misled state scientists and derailed the best chance at containment

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ched-rollout-derailed-containment/5080781002/
OK. I will agree that the Federal government did not provide accurate information on the turn around time for evaluating Covid-19 test kits and that Trump should have been more forthcoming about the severity of Covid-19; because, it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that Covid-19 had the ability to spread rapidly! :mad: However, understanding the virulence of Covid-19 and to then state that the US suffers for it is a bit on the ludicrous side. Considering the length of time that this virus remains viable in the air and on hard surfaces, reality tells us that every country around the planet will have to deal with Covid-19, unless the Country was willing to shut down all travel from outside countries.

Oh but wait, the media said that the Covid-19 travel restrictions were a sign of President Trump's xenophobia! :rolleyes: Even USA today (your original source article) did a Pro-China government piece on this very topic before Covid-19 took an apparent hold within the US. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...reak-china-says-us-spreading-fear/4643737002/

As an FYI: Politifact addressed the ludicrous claims of lost time in February where test kits are concerned. ;)
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...falsely-says-trump-administration-rejected-w/
 
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Whew!! I feel so much better about orange scourage handling of the crisis since reading a report he is consulting with Arod (yes, the ex-Yankee) about what to do regarding COVID-19. The assurance is simply overwhelming!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

BTW - me venture into the wild yesterday for grocery's, on line Sam's order and Walmart meds wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Walmart pharmacy was quick in/out; Sam's a bit of a cluster - long line to get in, long wait to get order placed on line as only one person working pick up area; grocery store - absolutely no paper products available - people still stupid. Was impressed that grocer was enforcing social distancing as witnessed several people being told to back off by personnel whilst in queue - floors marked where to stand when checking out. Foods fairly good although veggies sparse - frozen or fresh - eggs short on selection. I'm good for another two weeks on staying home and away from the madding crowd of idiots.
 
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Additionally, another pdf at the above CDC site was interesting.

FY 2019 CDC Congressional Justification
https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents/fy2019/fy-2019-cdc-congressional-justification.pdf

excerpt:
The fiscal year (FY) 2019 budget request for CDC and ATSDR includes a total funding level of $5,722,755,000 in
discretionary budget authority and PHS Evaluation Funds. This is $1,372,185,000 below the FY 2018 Annualized
Continuing Resolution (CR) level
. The FY 2019 budget request maintains a number of programmatic reductions
and eliminations proposed in the FY 2018 President's Budget.
The budget request supports the Administration's commitment to improved health outcomes and lower
healthcare costs, and invests in activities to both extend and improve the quality of American lives. CDC
provides for the Common Defense of the Country against public health threats, and serves the country through
its science. With these funds, CDC will continue to provide the best possible public health information and
programs so the American public can decide how to best protect themselves and their families. CDC scientists,
laboratorians, and disease detectives will continue to work around the clock and around the world to identify,
prepare for, and respond to disease threats. These investments keep Americans safe and healthy.
(bolding is mine)
 
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Returning to the dark ages is highly unlikely. Students of history will look to the influenza pandemic of 1918 for precedent.
Fortunately, we have the benefit of that epidemic to look to for guidance on what to do and what not to do. The low tech way of fighting the virus with quarantine, social distancing and hand-washing are effective.

Neil Ferguson, an epidemiologist with Imperial College London, predicted a WORST case of 2.2 million deaths in the USA if NOTHING is done to control the outbreak. So, out of a 327 million (2018) pop, that is 0.6% of the US pop. Certainly that would be tragic, but we are not talking about the loss of social structures. Certainly healthcare will take a hit if a large proportion of techs, nurses and doctors die.

Am I afraid? A bit. I would say more "concerned"
 
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This has been an obvious problem through out many of Trump's appointments and a cause for the inefficiencies in his administration: too many second rate'rs.
Trump has been shown to value loyalty over ability.
Thus too many yes men that regurgitate Trump's opinions as their own, are chosen and those that don't comply simply get replaced or publicly demeaned.
 
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I posted this in Random:

According to the Johns Hopkins link at this time,

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

there are twice as many confirmed COVID-19 infected cases in the US as in China.
With many of the east coast hospitals being swamped with COVID-19 patients,............how many critically ill patients that are not infected, dying, are going to die, because of the lack of medical resources?
 
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I decided this thread was a better parking spot for this article than the Coronaviris thread in Random, where this character first appeared:

Dr. Drew Pinsky apologizes for coronavirus comments: 'I got it wrong'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...nsky-addresses-covid-19-criticism/2960027001/

He didn't just 'get it wrong', it was an attempt to silence news reporting on the subject.

Celebrity doctor Drew Pinsky has apologized for a series of statements unspooled in a recent video where he downplayed the coronavirus and suggested it was a "press-induced panic."

"I wish I had gotten it right, but I got it wrong," said Pinsky in a video posted over the weekend. Pinsky is known as "Dr. Drew."

Pinsky's apology was prompted by an online video that put together clips from a series of appearances he made over a two-month period. It's a storytelling form that has gained steam with the pandemic: The Washington Post has done mashups focused on President Donald Trump and Fox News, while Comedy Central on Friday issued a video targeting conservative personalities.
 
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All the deniers and naysayers, including our idiot president, deny what they said on recordings - it's ludicrous to all except the MAGA's.
 
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More on Pinsky at Arstechnica:

Dr. Drew apologizes for being a COVID-19 denier after copyright silliness

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...restored-to-youtube-after-copyright-takedown/

Dr. Drew coronavirus supercut restored to YouTube after copyright takedown.

Reporter Yashar Ali Tweeted out a link to the video on April 4, calling Dr. Drew "a disgrace." Apparently Pinsky and/or his staff did not care for the extra attention to the supercut, however, and a few hours later, an attempt to view the video came up with the message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Drew Pinsky Inc."

Ali also noted in a later Tweet that Pinsky was apparently threatening people who shared the tweet, saying in response to many, "Infringing copywrite [sic] laws is a crime. Hang on to your retweets. Or erase to be safe."
Nothing like a threat of litigation to prove the sincerity of an apology :D
 
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Trump: one lie after another.

After many weeks of repeatedly telling US citizens we had nothing to worry about, Trump now claims he knew all along there was a pandemic brewing in China.

Trump Now Claims He Always Knew the Coronavirus Would Be a Pandemic
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html

That he knew is correct and probably the only truthful statement he's made about the COVID-19 pandemic.

When the White House was first warned of coronavirus
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/int...isis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China's Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document's contents.

.......

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources said of the NCMI's report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's Joint Staff and the White House. Wednesday night, the Pentagon issued a statement denying the "product/assessment" existed.
(Note: The Pentagon needs to explain this discrepancy IMO. Perhaps an investigation is necessary. )

From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House.

All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President's Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

"The timeline of the intel side of this may be further back than we're discussing," the source said of preliminary reports from Wuhan. "But this was definitely being briefed beginning at the end of November as something the military needed to take a posture on."
And now he lies again:

Trump blames WHO for getting coronavirus pandemic wrong, threatens to withhold funding
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/07/tru...emic-wrong-threatens-to-withhold-funding.html

Who allowed COVID-19 to devastate the US with out any attempt to mitigate the impact of this pandemic after becoming knowledgeable of the situation one might ask.
The man responsible is the President of the United States of America who has stated :
I don't take responsibility at all
'Why' is a serious question. Why did he ignore the warnings?

Several possibilities.
He's been spinning the truth for obvious political reasons.
And this point I've mentioned in the past.....a fire sale.
Perhaps both.

He is after all a malevolent opportunist.
 
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He's been spinning the truth for obvious political reasons.
And this point I've mentioned in the past.....a fire sale.
Perhaps both.
He is after all a malevolent opportunist.
By spinning the truth, do you mean lying?
It is not obvious to me why he would do nothing in the face of the pandemic. One would think that he could take the advice of his advisors and lean hard into the pandemic like say New Zealand has, and saved the economy from the worst effects. That would have put him in good stead for winning re-election in the fall.
Or is that what he wants?

Maybe he sees the country as overpopulated and in need of a culling?
Who knows?
 
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Golf, handshakes and a Mar-a-Lago conga line: Squandered week highlights Trump's lack of COVID-19 focus

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...p-partied-golfed-held-fundraisers/2941076001/

By Friday, March 6, there was no escaping the fact that the spread of the novel coronavirus would soon upend American life.

Armed with all of that evidence, President Donald Trump spent the next week treating COVID-19 in much the same way that he had over the previous two months: he hosted large gatherings at Mar-a-Lago, went golfing, attended fundraisers, dispensed misinformation about the virus and flouted social distancing guidelines known to stem its spread.

......the message was clear - life could proceed as normal.

USA TODAY interviewed half a dozen experts in epidemiology, economics and the medical supply chain who said Trump squandered an opportunity that week, as he had for months, to take significant steps that would have saved lives and put the country in a better position to fight the virus.
As I posted here:
https://forums.techguy.org/threads/coronavirus-spread-to-eu-usa.1239391/page-2#post-9691041

Trump had been given the knowledge and assessments from his own administration on how severe this pandemic could be for the US.

As early as late November.

Did he waste 3 1/2 months before declaring an emergency.
Or did he delay a response for 3 1/2 months?

Who benefited the most from that delay?
Perhaps the ultra wealthy, elements of the 1%'ers, of large corporations flush with cash, and of hedge funds.....the serious money behind Trump.

It's about opportunity. The 'Art of the Deal'.
Of interest concerning that book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_the_Deal
This excerpt:
In 1988, Trump set up the Donald J. Trump Foundation to give away royalties from the book's sales, in Trump's words, promising four or five million dollars "to the homeless, to Vietnam veterans, for AIDS, multiple sclerosis."

According to a Washington Post investigation those donations largely did not happen: the paper said "he gave less to those causes than he did to his older daughter's ballet school."
And what happened to the Donald J. Trump Foundation?
Why, this:
Judge signs off on shutdown of Trump Foundation after 'pattern of illegality'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/trump-foundation-shutdown-lawsuit

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/nyregion/ny-ag-underwood-trump-foundation.html

Judge Says Trump Must Pay $2 Million Over Misuse Of Foundation Funds
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/7772...pay-2-million-over-misuse-of-foundation-funds

Yes...Trump lies.
Yes...Trump does it for advantage.
It's all about the 'deal'.
And our society is not included.

Edit: So you all better get back to work in order to drive those stock prices back up. :cool:
 
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I'm not so much afraid as I am concerned.

It would be interesting to see the take on vaccinations against coronavirus infection by the anti-vaxxers and Christian Science type cults.

I see the Health Ranger ( Mike Adams ) is still at it with his nonsense.
https://healthrangerreport.com/

And now I see Adams has aligned himself with Alex Jones ( :eek: :D :mad: )
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/new-coronavirus-facts-and-misinformation/

Infowars:
https://www.infowars.com/coronavirus-chinese-espionage-behind-wuhan-bioweapon/
Coronavirus: Chinese Espionage Behind Wuhan Bioweapon

Well.........hmmmm.......
It is not ture! Take care.
 
#35 ·
Trump Says Widespread Coronavirus Testing 'Would Never Happen' and Isn't Needed To Reopen Country

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says...ppen-isnt-needed-reopen-country-1497210?amp=1

President Donald Trump on Thursday said a widespread COVID-19 testing program to assess whether workers can safely return to their workplaces is "never going to happen" in the United States.

..................only .61 percent of the 330 million U.S. population has been tested for COVID-19.
You all better get back to work now in order to drive those stock prices back up as quickly as possible.
:cool:
 
#39 ·
Apparently Trump wants America to believe that what you don't know.... won't hurt you.

Trump administration pulls funding for drive-through COVID-19 testing
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...s-funding-for-drive-through-covid-19-testing/

One of the biggest challenges hampering US institutional response to the COVID-19 crisis is testing: when you can't identify who has the disease, you can't tell who might transmit it, or where they might do so. After critical months of delay, the US finally ramped up testing, but now, just as experts forecast many states are heading into the peak of this emergency, the federal government is ending funding for some successful testing programs.

The feds will stop covering the tab for most community testing sites as of Friday (tomorrow), April 10, NPR reports.
Federal Support Ends For Coronavirus Testing Sites As Pandemic Peak Nears

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...r-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears
 
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#40 ·
"I don't take responsibility at all," said President Donald Trump in the Rose Garden on March 13. Those words will probably end up as the epitaph of his presidency, the single sentence that sums it all up."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...-paying-the-price-for-trumps-failures/609532/

David Frum article - it's a long read that chronicles this fiasco by the orange scourge, but is well worth the time to read. If only the MAGA's could take off their blinders and see it for what it is.

Trump has mouthed the slogan "America first," but he has never acted on it. It has always been "Trump first." His business first. His excuses first. His pathetic vanity first.

Trump has taken millions in payments from the Treasury. He has taken millions in payments from U.S. businesses and foreign governments. He has taken millions in payments from the Republican Party and his own inaugural committee. He has taken so much that does not belong to him, that was unethical and even illegal for him to take. But responsibility? No, he will not take that.

Yet responsibility falls upon Trump, whether he takes it or not. No matter how much he deflects and insults and snivels and whines, this American catastrophe is on his hands and on his head.
 
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