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Hey, I have questions concerning ibuypower and cyberpower.

1. is it possible for ibuypower to *not* include a hard drive? Cause cyberpower will let you not, but ibuy makes you buy one, and I don't need one (I have one sitting around.)

2. Should I get 512pc3200 ram (from 256) or 2800+xp(from 2500)

3. should i stick with 350w or go to 480w for $79 extra (video card is gf4 mx 440, soundcard is onboard, i wont do heavy upgrading or anything...), and save 79$ (or get 512ram AND 2800 cpu)

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Here is a comparison, first is CyberPower PC I built, second is IBuyPower...

CAS: [BIEGE ONLY] ATX MEDIUM TOWER CASE 350 WATT [+33]
CASECOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CASUPGRADE: ---Optional----
CD: SONY 16X DVD-ROM [+38]
CDCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CDRW: CD-RW 52X24X52 [+39]
CDRWCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CPU: AMD Athlon™ XP 2800+ Processor [512K L2 CACHE] [+179]
FAN: AMD CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
FLASHMEDIA: --- Optional ---
FLOPPY: --OPTIONAL--
Gaming1: --- Optional ---
Gaming2: --- Optional ---
Gaming3: --- Optional ---
Gaming4: --- Optional ---
Gaming5: --- Optional ---
HDD: ---Optional---
HDD2: ---Optional---
KEYBOARD: [WHITE] PS2 MULTIMEDIA INTERNET KEYBOARD [+5]
MEMORY: 512 MB (512MBx1) PC3200 400MHz DDR MEMORY [+98]
MEMORYUPGRADE: --- Optional ---
METER: --- Optional ---
METERCOLOR: SILVER COLOR
MODEM: --- Optional ---
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS A7N8X nVidia nForce-2 ULTRA 400 FSB 8X AGP w/ USB 2.0 [+95]
MOUSE: [WHITE] PS2 INTERNET MOUSE W/ WHEEL [+3]
NETWORK: ---Optional---
OS: WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL EDITION [+135]
POWERSUPPLY: STANDARD CASE POWER SUPPLY
RAID: ----- OPTIONAL REQUIRES (2) IDENTICAL HARD DRIVES-----
RUSH: NO; SHIP OUT IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOFT1: ---Optional---
SOFT2: ---Optional---
SOUND: AC97 3D WAVE ON-BOARD SOUND CARD
SPEAKERS: (BLACK) 120 WATT STEREO SPEAKERS [+5]
SUPER_PAK: ---Optional----
Subtotal1: (+673.00)
Subtotal2: 673.00
TEMP: ----- Optional [as shown] -----
VIDEO: nVidia GeForce-4 MX440 64MB DDR AGP 8X EDITION w/ TV-OUT [+43]
WIRELESSCARD: --- Optional ---
WIRELESSPOINT: --- Optional ---
ZIP: --- Optional ---
ZIPCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
$673


BOARD: [ULTRA-400] ASUS A7N8X W/USB 2.0, LAN, AUDIO, 8X AGP MB (+ 39)
CABLE: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CAMERA: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CARD_MEDIA: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CARD_MEDIA_COLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CAS: [Beige Color] STANDARD ATX MED-TOWER 320W CASE [NO WINDOW] (- 5)
CASCOLOR: SILVER COLOR
CAS_1: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CAS_2: [SPECIAL!!!} UPGRADE TO 420 WATT POWER SUPPLY (+ 19)
CAS_3: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CAS_3_COLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CAS_4: ----- OPTIONAL -----
CAS_4_COLOR: SILVER COLOR
CD: 16X DVD-ROM (+ 34)
CDCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CDRW: 52x24x52 CD-RW DRIVE
CDRWCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
CPU: AMD ATHLON XP 2500+ QuantiSpeed CPU [512K L2 CACHE] (+ 414)
EAR: ----- OPTIONAL -----
FAN: Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink
FDD: ----- OPTIONAL -----
FDDCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
HDD: 80 GB ULTRA ATA-100 7200 RPM HARD DRIVE
HDD2: ----- OPTIONAL -----
IEEE1394: ----- OPTIONAL -----
KB: PS2 104 KEY WINDOWS 98 KEYBOARD
MEMORY: [DDR400] 512 MB DUAL CHANNEL [256MB X2] PC3200 MEMORY (+ 49)
MEMORY1: ----- OPTIONAL -----
MODEM: ----- OPTIONAL -----
MONITOR: ----- OPTIONAL -----
MONITOR_LCD: ----- OPTIONAL -----
MOUSE: PS2 INTERNET MOUSE
NETWORK: ----- OPTIONAL -----
NETWORK_1: ----- OPTIONAL -----
NETWORK_2: ----- OPTIONAL -----
OS: [NEW] MS WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL EDITION (+ 139)
PNT: ----- OPTIONAL -----
PNT_CABLE: ----- OPTIONAL -----
RAID: ----- OPTIONAL -----
RAID2: ----- OPTIONAL -----
RUSH: NO; SHIP OUT IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SCANNER: ----- OPTIONAL -----
SOFT1: ----- OPTIONAL -----
SOFT2: ----- OPTIONAL -----
SOFT3: ----- OPTIONAL -----
SOUND: 3D STEREO SOUND ONBOARD
SPEAKER: 120 WATTS PMPO 2 PCS STEREO SPEAKER SYSTEM
Submit: Add to Cart
Subtotal: 699.00
Subtotal1: 699.00
TV_TUNER: ----- OPTIONAL -----
USB: STANDARD 2X USB 2.0
VIDEO: ** 8X AGP ** NVIDIA GEFORCE-4 MX440 64MB VIDEO (+ 10)
WARRANTY: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY + LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
ZIP: ----- OPTIONAL -----
ZIPCOLOR: BEIGE COLOR
$699

Sorry if it's very cluttered

I think the advatage in terms of a PC the Ibuypower has is the PSU, which I can upgrade manually....
 
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1. is it possible for ibuypower to *not* include a hard drive? Cause cyberpower will let you not, but ibuy makes you buy one, and I don't need one (I have one sitting around.)
That totally depends on the vendor. You should have that option and may need to call them on the phone if the site does not allow it.

2. Should I get 512pc3200 ram (from 256) or 2800+xp(from 2500)
I personally would opt for the extra memory. That will make a difference in your system performance. the difference between a 2500 and 2800 is very little, especially since there is no program that come close to needing the power of either cpu.

3. should i stick with 350w or go to 480w for $79 extra (video card is gf4 mx 440, soundcard is onboard, i wont do heavy upgrading or anything...), and save 79$ (or get 512ram AND 2800 cpu)
do the ram upgrade if it is a matter of one or the other. you can buy a nice raidmax 420w power supply for less than that upgrade price.
just a footnote. The video card they are using is a pretty substandard card considering the rest of the system. The geforce 4 mx 440 is not even rated nearly as well as the geforce 3 titanium series.
 
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The system with the 2500+ has 512MB DUAL CHANNEL memory which will blow away the 2800+ with one stick of 512MB memory. Go with 420w or bigger QUALITY power supply. Either the GF4 4200/$115 or for h*llish performance the ATI 9600Pro/$149. The MX 440 card is barely good enough for workstations; definitely not for DVD playback or gaming.
 
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Sub $35 power supplies aren't worth $1, no matter how many "wattages" they say they are.
 

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Originally posted by StillLearnin':
The system with the 2500+ has 512MB DUAL CHANNEL memory which will blow away the 2800+ with one stick of 512MB memory. Go with 420w or bigger QUALITY power supply. Either the GF4 4200/$115 or for h*llish performance the ATI 9600Pro/$149. The MX 440 card is barely good enough for workstations; definitely not for DVD playback or gaming.
The 2800 had an option for 512 Dual Channel for same price...still get the 2800+ option? Yea I plan on getting a better vid card, just not ATM (n)
 
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"just not ATM "

I presume you meant ATI. If you don't get a 4200(which ARE available for under$100), there is NO reason NOT to go with ATI since their cards have been #1(in each class/price range) for the past 2 generations.
 

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(at the moment actually). Anyways...

about my topic and the companies, I went to this site that rates resellers (www.resellerratings.com) and it turns out that ibuypower had much higher ratings(8.80) then cyberpower(6.12), but I was still concerned that I didn't need a hard drive. I called up ibuypower, and they said that I could place my order on the phone, and that way I would not get a hard drive, and it would basically be a special order (since you can not select -Option- for a Harddrive at ibuypower.) I guess I will go ibuypower then, and yes I will upgrade video card. Thanks for your help
 
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