Death and Religion

Johnny b

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I've too often felt edgy about the discussion of death and attempts at it's prevention when in the midsts of extreme Christian Fundamentalists. Too much repetition without thought: "It was God's will".

Interesting article here:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-infant-mortality-higher-areas-christian.html

But one major flaw is that there are no comparisons to groups of non Christians and atheists.

Infant mortality rates higher in areas with more Christian fundamentalists, study finds
The study's findings build on previous research that says that Catholicism and mainline Protestantism are civically minded, externally oriented faiths that emphasize community-level care. For example, church-affiliated hospitals and social-service providers such as Catholic Charities can bolster the health infrastructure of local communities.

"Both of those have more of a commitment to worldly pursuits," Garcia-Alexander said. "There is a concerted effort to make inroads with the community that they live in and to do good for the community, both for members and nonmembers alike."

On the flip side, conservative Protestants, including fundamentalists and Pentecostals, tend to be more insular and are more likely to reject science and health-related resources.
 
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I've found it best for my well being to avoid any discussions with christian fundies.:cool:

Sunday AM before last, whist working in my garage loading some equipment I had sold, a man in suit and tie approached, introduced himself and asked my name. I responded by asking him what he wanted. Said he was there to spread gods word. Told him he was barking up the wrong tree as I was an avowed atheist. His response "I've never met an atheist before!" I said, "Well, this is a red letter day for you!" A few more words regarding the equipment I was loading and he was off. I'm thinking he was surprised an atheist looks just like a fundie - no horns, cloven hoofs or speared tail.:D Second time I'd heard "I've never met an atheist", that was in hospital admitting when asked religious preference.

Then to top off last week, Friday a week ago, one of my mentors went into hospital for a heart valve replacement. It did not go well. At his funeral last Friday and wake / visitation on Thursday, not sure how many times I heard "It was gods will!" His family and community is predominantly fundie. I was just thankful the Baptist Church they were held in did not cavitate when I entered. In any case, I'm now wondering who my family and friends will blame for my death, or whose "will" was it that got me!o_O
 

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no horns, cloven hoofs or speared tail
I think it's hard to tell because at last two of those are retractable. :D

I don't know if I've ever met an atheist because I don't tend to ask people I meet if they believe in God.
 

Johnny b

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I've found it best for my well being to avoid any discussions with christian fundies.:cool:
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Fundamentalism and intolerance often seem co-joined.
IMO, within Christianity, it's the blind reliance on the Old Testament which is incredibly violent with little redemption offered and then only with absolute acceptance.
And it does begin with much controversy and contradiction of reality.

But what bothers me about the article I posted is that as a trend, the intolerance of fundamentalism subjects their own innocent offspring to hazards found unacceptable in mainstream Christianity.

So, to your point, if they care so little for the welfare of their own, what they think of everyone else seems to be even less healthy. Perhaps detrimental.
 

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imo, it is the same as the anti-vaxers or flat-earthers. Sometimes the smallest, tiniest bit of knowledge is enough to upset the entire apple cart. At least it is generally darwinian, albeit on the innocent.

Or cults. Scientologists also come to mind.
 
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I think it's hard to tell because at last two of those are retractable. :D

I don't know if I've ever met an atheist because I don't tend to ask people I meet if they believe in God.
In your case, I'm more redactable than retractable.:)

Obviously, you're not out on Sunday mornings proselytizing, as my visitor was doing.:whistle:
 
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Fundamentalism and intolerance often seem co-joined.
IMO, within Christianity, it's the blind reliance on the Old Testament which is incredibly violent with little redemption offered and then only with absolute acceptance.
And it does begin with much controversy and contradiction of reality.

But what bothers me about the article I posted is that as a trend, the intolerance of fundamentalism subjects their own innocent offspring to hazards found unacceptable in mainstream Christianity.

So, to your point, if they care so little for the welfare of their own, what they think of everyone else seems to be even less healthy. Perhaps detrimental.
I can't really add much outside of they frighten me, same as their president. My impression is they care for only those that live their way as long as it doesn't intrude on their life. In short, live and let live is not on their agenda.
 

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I can certainly agree that I have heard "bible thumpers" say some of the dumbest things in the world.

I do, have grave questions about the legitimacy of the above article.

There seems to be gargantuan 'leaps' made between studies of infant mortality and inferences of Religion. Not to mention there is not one single word mentioned about controlling other variables that might explain differences in mortality rates other than religious affiliation.

Whether you're a die hard Atheist or Joel Olsteen, :), the quality of Healthcare (or lack thereof) given to infants/ children is what matters.
 

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I do, have grave questions about the legitimacy of the above article.

There seems to be gargantuan 'leaps' made between studies of infant mortality and inferences of Religion. Not to mention there is not one single word mentioned about controlling other variables that might explain differences in mortality rates other than religious affiliation.

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It's a rather focused article of mainstream Christianity versus the extremist fundamentalist elements of Christianity.

I find fault with there being no comparison to non Christian religions and atheists.

The extremes of this article can be seen in many rural roadside cemeteries that are associated with fundamentalist communities.
My adventures with organized motorcycle activities took me past many in Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia.
It was easy to see a surge in infant deaths with their dates associated with severe winters.
It would be easy to write these off to economic reasons, but these I refer to were not poor people, they desired a simple independent way of life and that doesn't seem to include much from modern medicine or social support.

'It was God's will' becomes a rationale for doing less than modern science and social programs can provide.

Christian Science is another peculiar religion that derides medical treatment.
Odd name, they are not to be confused with scientists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science
It was developed in 19th-century New England by Mary Baker Eddy, who argued in her 1875 book Science and Health that sickness is an illusion that can be corrected by prayer alone.[n 3] The book became Christian Science's central text, along with the Bible, and by 2001 had sold over nine million copies.
I have seen several tragedies from this line of religious belief.
 
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Oops. I thought I had replied on this. I'm not sure where it went... hmm.
Anyway, for the most part I agree. My point is the more dangerous rationale is the absence of proper care for children, regardless of the rationale.

But yeah... the thinking God will intervene magically instead of giving the proper medication is truly sad.
 

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