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OS Version: Microsoft Windows 10 Home, 64 bit, Build 18362, Installed 20200202152744.000000-300
Processor: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30GHz, Intel64 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10, CPU Count: 2
Total Physical RAM: 3 GB
Graphics Card: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.1)
Hard Drives: C: 283 GB (228 GB Free);
Motherboard: Dell Inc. 0N7J7M, s/n 3LDYZM1.CN701660CG06T9.
System: Dell Inc., ver DELL - 27da090d, s/n 3LDYZM1
Antivirus: Windows Defender, Enabled and Updated
Hello Group,

As you will see, my machine is an old laptop, currently running W.10, but very slow. I have been reading on another ... computer unrelated forum ... that some people have switched back to W.7 .
I understand that W.7 is now unsupported, what would be the difficulties / risks if I dropped W.10 and re installed W.7 ?. I have recently had some severe issues with W. 10 updates .

Thank you.
 

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I understand that W.7 is now unsupported, what would be the difficulties / risks if I dropped W.10 and re installed W.7 ?. I have recently had some severe issues with W. 10 updates .

Thank you.
As Win 7 is no longer supported, over time there becomes more and greater vulnerabilities to malware, virus, Trojans and intrusion.
If you buy anything across the Internet, do online banking or have critical information on your computer, you eventually run the risk of becoming a victim.

IMO, it's better to correct your Win 10 installation now than try to make do with Win 7 if you use it online.
Or learn to use Linux, but reality...it's not for everyone. Linux isn't Windows. It's different and there is a learning curve to it.
I'm posting here at TSG using a Live Linux distribution, Xenialpup.

You might be better off just fixing what you have if you aren't comfortable with the idea of using Linux.
But either way, it's better not to go back to Win 7 for Internet usage.
 
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Hi,

I am not a specs expert, but that machine does seem old. You really need AT LEAST 4 GB of RAM for Windows 10 to work well. I know that Microsoft says that it will work with as little as 1 GB of RAM, but it will be very very slow as you described. Windows 7 is no longer supported so you are at a security risk every day that you continue to use Windows 7 because there are no more updates for that OS.

Your best bet, go out and get a modern laptop from Dell for about $500 with a solid 8GB of RAM. It will have Windows 10, You will be secure with modern technology and up to date. A lot of times, these laptops, are not really designed to be opened up and modified as easily as desktops. They are a "Come as One" unit. You don't have enough RAM for Windows 10. My Toshiba laptop actually runs well on Windows 10 upgraded from Windows 8.1 with 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. But that was a Christmas gift for me back in December of 2014. So your laptop is probably even older than that. At this stage, and for security reasons, just go out and get a new Dell laptop PC with 8GB of RAM. You will have the modern stuff and your PC will be nice and fast. That is your best bet.

Jack
 
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I'm going to reopen this thread. The previous one was about a problem with Windows 10 update and asking to revert back to Windows 7 was only at the end. This thread already has some good information so we'll continue with this matter here in this thread.
 

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Thank you Cookiegal, and thanks to Johnny b and Jack 1000 for the information, all indications are that I would be ahead of the game if I buy a new, up to date machine, my current laptop was purchased in February 2011 ...soooo, yes, quite aged. Thank you to all parties for the education !.
 

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I received the below copy of a contact notification in my e-mail, but cannot find it in the Forum.
Thanks to The Digital Void for your comments …. the 120 GB SSD you describe , is that hardware to be installed INTO the machine ? … I joined this great group for advice and guidance …. I'm not sure that me education reaches to the point where I could accomplish what you are advising.... but many thanks anyway .


I have seen windows 10 run on more outdated specs no problem...
3gb ram is sufficient enough although if you could put 2x 2GB sticks in it (for a toal of 4Gb) rather then 1GB+2GB you would see a slight increase in your performance...
I would guess your hard drive is starting to fail... Grab up a new 120GB SSD drive (now days for 30-40 bucks) and you will be amazed the difference in speed...
Use the Microsoft Windows 10 download tool and download a copy of windows 10 onto a USB stick or Burn it to dvd, and clean install windows 10 onto the new drive.
 
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I received the below copy of a contact notification in my e-mail, but cannot find it in the Forum.
Thanks to The Digital Void for your comments …. the 120 GB SSD you describe , is that hardware to be installed INTO the machine ? … I joined this great group for advice and guidance …. I'm not sure that me education reaches to the point where I could accomplish what you are advising.... but many thanks anyway .


I have seen windows 10 run on more outdated specs no problem...
3gb ram is sufficient enough although if you could put 2x 2GB sticks in it (for a toal of 4Gb) rather then 1GB+2GB you would see a slight increase in your performance...
I would guess your hard drive is starting to fail... Grab up a new 120GB SSD drive (now days for 30-40 bucks) and you will be amazed the difference in speed...
Use the Microsoft Windows 10 download tool and download a copy of windows 10 onto a USB stick or Burn it to dvd, and clean install windows 10 onto the new drive.
I thought this was an old thread that's why I deleted my comment...
Yes, you would have to have it installed into the computer... It's not as hard as it might seem to sound... chances are you could do it, but does take some tinkering around putting it into the laptop and and going into the bios to boot up from the usb or dvd drive to install windows 10.. Some computers/laptops have an options to enter the boot menu by pressing F12 upon start up.. Phone around to some local repair shops or check out kijiji/facebook market place for an independent shop. Ask them what they charge to put in a ssd drive (That you have already purchased) and install windows..
Since you already have had windows 10 on this laptop and activated, you will be able to install another legit copy for free.. So make sure they dont charge you for windows 10. They should just charge you for installing windows 10 (usually 40 bucks) and installing the hard drive... Should cost you no more than 50 - 60 dollars plus what ever it cost you to buy and SSD Drive... you can pick up one of those off amazon pretty cheap.. you just need a 120GB SSD Drive...
 

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The installation of a drive in that laptop requires extensive dismantling, it is not simply a panel on the base, as with some laptops
https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_laptop/esuprt_inspiron_laptop/inspiron-15-n5030_service manual_en-us.pdf
Removing the Hard Drive
1. Follow the instructions in Before You Begin.
2. Remove the battery (see Removing the Battery).
3. Remove the keyboard (see Removing the Keyboard).
4. Remove the two screws that secure the hard drive to the base of the computer
5. Remove the palm rest (see Removing the Palm Rest).
Here is the link to Dell for your Inspiron
https://www.dell.com/support/home/u...g/0-ZUYrSERqWG9qZzVYWmg4bGZqY1hkZz090/upgrade

Windows 10 on that computer will never run as windows 10 should and would on a more modern hardware setup
However it perhaps need NOT be as slow as you report it is.

I appreciate you have marked the topic solved, but if you wish me to explore, with you why it may be so slow, I am more than ready to do so.

My advice is that you most certainly do need more than 3GB of ram if possible
I would not advise the purchase of an SSD, as although you would IF ALL else was correct, notice some improvement in speed - it will NOT solve slow performance problems, due to other reasons. Additionally the SSD still relies on the CPU to process the information and the speed across the system bus
The benefits of an SSD in that laptop will be far less than in a more modern machine

Please post back if you wish me to explore the possible reasons.
 

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Many thanks to The Digital Void for your idea's on improving my laptop, always happy to learn something new.
Macboatmaster .... as my technical skills lie more in mechanical,and less in electronic / computer area's I would like to pursue your idea's on improving ...however small ... the performance of my laptop ... thank you.
 

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1. Please confirm that Windows Defender is the ONLY anti virus in use and that NO other such programs are installed

2. Please list ANY third party apps installed that have any system maintenance ability, be them defrag apps, boosters - make it go faster type, registry cleaners etc.

3. Is it generally slow, slow only to load windows when you turn on, slow only when browsing etc. - please describe in detail

4. List please any particular problems you have noticed, or that have been reported by way of pop-up messages from the system such as - updates could not be installed - windows could not ? etc.
These often appear as numbers on the botton right of the taskbar and when you click the message opens
 
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I received the below copy of a contact notification in my e-mail, but cannot find it in the Forum.
Thanks to The Digital Void for your comments …. the 120 GB SSD you describe , is that hardware to be installed INTO the machine ? … I joined this great group for advice and guidance …. I'm not sure that me education reaches to the point where I could accomplish what you are advising.... but many thanks anyway .


I have seen windows 10 run on more outdated specs no problem...
3gb ram is sufficient enough although if you could put 2x 2GB sticks in it (for a toal of 4Gb) rather then 1GB+2GB you would see a slight increase in your performance...
I would guess your hard drive is starting to fail... Grab up a new 120GB SSD drive (now days for 30-40 bucks) and you will be amazed the difference in speed...
Use the Microsoft Windows 10 download tool and download a copy of windows 10 onto a USB stick or Burn it to dvd, and clean install windows 10 onto the new drive.
Hey Britfellow,

Let us know what you decide to do, whether it be a new laptop or a reformat/install of the existing system. Would still recommend a new machine. If not, you are going to be putting time and money into a system that is nine years old.

You are never ever going to get the modern full benefits of Windows 10 on such an old machine. My Toshiba laptop was just enough to pass the litmus test to be upgraded, but it came pre-installed with Windows 8.1 and is three years newer than your laptop. (purchased Christmas 2014.) I think it comes down to time, money, and "geekiness" level of the user. Ask yourself how much is it worth it to hold on to nine year old system, when better and faster options are offered for an overall much better value and performance?

Most importantly, describe to use what you do regularly on that laptop? On mine, I just do general web-browsing, note-taking, and letter-writing, so moving from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 on the same system was a logical choice, and it worked!

But if you are a gamer, or heavily into graphics, or modern technology that can only come about from a more modern OS, there is no doubt that in that case, you are wasting your time and money putting more energy and maintenance into that 2011 PC, and you would than NEED a NEW Windows 10 laptop with at least 8GB of RAM for modern usage.

Jack

PS. You should mark this "unsolved" because there are still some great ideas here, which our community can contribute to your final decision!
 

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1. Please confirm that Windows Defender is the ONLY anti virus in use and that NO other such programs are installed

2. Please list ANY third party apps installed that have any system maintenance ability, be them defrag apps, boosters - make it go faster type, registry cleaners etc.

3. Is it generally slow, slow only to load windows when you turn on, slow only when browsing etc. - please describe in detail

4. List please any particular problems you have noticed, or that have been reported by way of pop-up messages from the system such as - updates could not be installed - windows could not ? etc.
These often appear as numbers on the botton right of the taskbar and when you click the message opens
Thank you Macboatmaster.... currently the only " anti virus " app that I have installed is an Adware removal tool by TSA .exe, there are no other apps with system maintenance ability that I am aware of.
Generally the machine is slow on start up, occasionally I get notification that " this page is not responding " ... that notification is not limited to one site.
I recently ran a " system refresh " which involved re installing Windows .... that really did not make much difference...
This is the report that followed the refresh ....

Apps removed while resetting your PC
App name Publisher Version
Dell Dock Stardock Corporation 2.0
Garmin Express Garmin Ltd or its subsidiaries 6.9.1.0
Google Chrome Google LLC 79.0.3945.130
Lexmark Network Twain Scan Driver Lexmark International, Inc. 1.20.151.0
LibreOffice 6.1.3.2 The Document Foundation 6.1.3.2
Microsoft OneDrive Microsoft Corporation 19.222.1110.0006
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable (x86) - 14.0.24215 Microsoft Corporation 14.0.24215.1
Picasa 3 Google, Inc. 3.9
Skype version 8.56 Skype Technologies S.A. 8.56
SUPERAntiSpyware SUPERAntiSpyware.com 8.0.1024
Update for Windows 10 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057) Microsoft Corporation 2.59.0.0
Windows Driver Package - Dynastream Innovations, Inc. ANT LibUSB Drivers (04/11/2012 1.2.40.201) Dynastream Innovations, Inc. 04/11/2012 1.2.40.201
Windows Driver Package - Silicon Labs Software (DSI_SiUSBXp_3_1) USB (02/06/2007 3.1) Silicon Labs Software 02/06/2007 3.1
Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:57 PM

Skype has been re installed, the Lexmark printer was not un installed .

I hope that the above is good information for you. Thank you again.
 

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Hey Britfellow,

Let us know what you decide to do, whether it be a new laptop or a reformat/install of the existing system. Would still recommend a new machine. If not, you are going to be putting time and money into a system that is nine years old.

You are never ever going to get the modern full benefits of Windows 10 on such an old machine. My Toshiba laptop was just enough to pass the litmus test to be upgraded, but it came pre-installed with Windows 8.1 and is three years newer than your laptop. (purchased Christmas 2014.) I think it comes down to time, money, and "geekiness" level of the user. Ask yourself how much is it worth it to hold on to nine year old system, when better and faster options are offered for an overall much better value and performance?

Most importantly, describe to use what you do regularly on that laptop? On mine, I just do general web-browsing, note-taking, and letter-writing, so moving from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 on the same system was a logical choice, and it worked!

But if you are a gamer, or heavily into graphics, or modern technology that can only come about from a more modern OS, there is no doubt that in that case, you are wasting your time and money putting more energy and maintenance into that 2011 PC, and you would than NEED a NEW Windows 10 laptop with at least 8GB of RAM for modern usage.

Jack

PS. You should mark this "unsolved" because there are still some great ideas here, which our community can contribute to your final decision!
Thank you Jack..... I will see what the outcome of this exercise is before making any decision regarding replacing the laptop .... my usage is limited to .... e-mailing, Facebook, motorcycle Forum discussion participation, Web browsing , I am not a gamer, no graphics etc., this machine is adequate ...excepting for the slow operation. I have changed the " SOLVED" notification
 
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