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Oct 2, 2001
While giddily downloading fonts and and putting them into my FONTS folder, I deleted about three fonts because they had a funny icon I didn't like. Now I have a crappy little font appear as my default for everything espescially all my buttons!

I'm trying to find that font on another computer that I have and I think I have, but it's in use because it's the default font. Can I find it somewhere?
Oct 29, 2001
MS Sans Serif (Western) is probably the one you're thinking of

MS knowledge base has an article on restoring the default Windows fonts

caution - it overwrites any fonts you've added, so back them up

...and please: don't download when you're giddy in the future, look what happens! :)
Nov 24, 2001
For future reference, here's a list of fonts you shouldn't delete:D

Arial (TrueType)
Arial Bold (TrueType)
Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)
Arial Italic (TrueType)
Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)
Courier New (TrueType)
Courier New Bold (TrueType)
Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)
Courier New Italic (TrueType)
Marlett (Windows 95/98)*
Modern (Plotter)
MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)
MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)
Roman (Plotter)
Script (Plotter)
Small fonts (VGA res)
Symbol (TrueType)
Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)
Times New Roman (TrueType) -
Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)
Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)
Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)
Wingdings (TrueType)
Any font with a red A for its icon.
Any font that begins with the letters MS.

*Marlett is a hidden system file and it will not
show up in a search, however, it may show up in your program font lists.
Oct 26, 2001
Here is my notes on fonts to keep.

Hi Trish,

I am not Don but hope I can help (I see to remember you from the days of the AOL/IBM message
boards - glad you found us here!)

A RAM upgrade WOULD help you first of all, especially when editing large pictures. Your system can
only optimally use 64MB of RAM, but every little bit helps with graphics programs.

Does your kernel error come up even if you set your resolution to 640x480 or switch the color depth to
256 colors?

Another thing you might want to consider - have you installed programs that add many FONTS to your
system? Having too many fonts is a prime cause of kernel32 errors when launching those programs.

What follows is a pretty long procedure, but it may allow you to isolate your error.

Follow these steps to remove a font from a program's FONT list without deleting the font file:

1. Use Windows Explorer to create a folder to store a copy of the TrueType font files.
a) Click START > RUN
b) Type C: and tap ENTER
c) Double-click the Windows folder.
d) Right-click on an empty area of the screen [within the Windows folder].
e) Choose NEW > FOLDER
f) Name this folder OLDFONT

2. Copy the fonts you want to remove from the Windows\Fonts folder to the folder you created in step 1.

a) Double-click on the FONTS folder.
b) While holding down CTRL, click on each of the fonts you want to remove.
c) When done, click on the EDIT menu, and choose COPY.
d) Close the FONTS folder, and double-click on the OLDFONT folder.
e) Go up to the EDIT menu, and select PASTE.


4. Double-click on FONTS.

5. Delete the font files you copied before. DO NOT DELETE any "red" letter fonts,

6. Restart the computer.

If you decide to re-install a font that you have removed, you can install the font from the folder
containing the font file copies. Make sure to select the "Copy fonts to the Fonts folder" option so that
the font file is copied. If you do not select this option, the font file is located in only one folder and is
deleted the next time you remove the font.

Here are some alternate directions if you just want to DELETE extra fonts without saving them first.

Remember not to remove the following fonts from Windows. (Otherwise, Windows may not display
correctly or appear illegible.)

Arial Bold
Arial Bold Italic
Arial Italic
Arial Narrow
Arial Narrow Bold
Arial Narrow Bold Italic
Arial Narrow Italic
Arial Rounded MT Bold
Courier 10,12,15
Courier Bold
Courier New
Courier New Bold
Courier New Bold Italic
Courier New Italic
MS Line Draw
MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24
MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24
Small Fonts
Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24
Times New Roman
Times New Roman Bold
Times New Roman Bold Italic
Times New Roman Italic
Any font which displays a red letter A as its icon.
Any font without the TT TrueType icon.
Any font whose name begins with the letters MS is best left on the system.
Any font used by Microsoft® Office and Windows® Internet Explorer.

These are the instructions for reducing the number of fonts installed on your operating system down to
a total of 250 to 300 fonts:

1) Click on the Start button, select Settings, and then click on Control Panel.

2) Double-click the Fonts icon.

3) Click on the font name you wish to remove so that it becomes highlighted.

4) Click File on the menu bar, and then select Delete.

5) Click the Yes button to confirm deletion. The file will now be deleted.

6) Restart the computer.

Hope this helps . . .

2159 S74, 80 MB RAM, 512KB Cache, Win98SE

[This message has been edited by JoeyR (edited 07-21-2000).]


posted 09-20-2000 11:47 AM

"My question is which are the most popular fonts, the ones I should keep in my FONTS folder?"

For starters don't delete MARLETT.TTF under any circumstances and don't delete any .FON files (the
icons with the read A). Other than that I'd avoid deleting any of the True Type fonts originally loaded with
a default Win9x install, find a list of those here

"I'm not quite sure what happens if I go to a web site that uses a font I don't have on my machine."

Nothing earthshattering, the text will just default to a basic font such as Arial or Times New Roman.
While you wont be seeing the page as the author intended it you will still be able to read the
information. The same thing goes for documents (ex: WordPad *.DOC files), if you don't have the font
installed a more generic default font will be used. As long as you don't delete the most basic fonts this
is more of a cosmetic issue than anything else.

"I saved the entire "FONT" folder (663 fonts/64MB) to a Zip Disk by clicking Win Exployer, clicking +
sign on "Windows" folder and then right click and drag "FONT" folder (Copy, not Move) to Zip Disk. I
was then going to delete everything in the FONT folder except the ones you listed in your post. That
way I can review the fonts on my Zip disk and move any back to the FONT folder I might need. Do you
think this will work?"

Yep, that should work just fine. Same idea, different implementation, the bottom line (that you CYA via
backup) is all that matters.

Best wishes,
Nov 24, 2001
Hi there hewee:

Probably not the same Trish. I usually use the user name Trish-A, but that was taken when I registered here.

I liked your extended version of Fonts to keep. I had cut & pasted mine from something similar. If you don't mine I'll add some of yours to mine.

BTW: You look natural in the pic.:D
Oct 26, 2001
You can copy all you want as you can see it's just a copy I got from another Message board.

It was from "DON5408's Unofficial Aptiva Support Site"
Dec 27, 2001
Need Help With ME and Fonts too.
I have installed some fonts that worked great
in all 98 MS applications and In all installed
applications (that is... Photoshop/Flash and anything else installed)
But on ME the do not even work in WordPad. Yes, there were installed using
start/settings/control panel/fonts and will print to the printer from there. BUT the do not show in any application in ME.And are in the Windows/System/Fonts.
Have asked MS about this be get no answers.
Often it is necessary to have a certain font for
registered Logos. And I several of those fonts.
Have sent the fonts to Mac and 2000 users to check
and they have no problems using them in applications.
Any help Appreciated.

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