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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by nate93, Oct 1, 2008.

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  1. Compiler

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    As long as the quality of the product is there and no defects - the performance difference between a P35, P45 and X48 boards is nominal. Now, if you're trying to do EXTREME OverClockings - that is why geeks spend $300~400 on a board, rather than $80~150 - then you'll see some performance increases... but as stated at the beginning of this topic. You can either build a well-budgeted gaming rig, or build a benchmarking computer.

    P35 vs. X48
    100fps vs. 101fps = No overclock

    130fps vs. 135fps = overclock Wow... $200~300 extra for about 1~5% increase.
     
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    The thing why I linked those boards is that they have dual(did one have more than 2? (I'm not talkin about skull-thingy)) full-speed PCI-E 16x slots...
     
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    You also selected a P45 board, which does not support dual 16x performance slots... but has the physical slot.
     
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    Sheesh. I thought it had full speed 16x slots. (as most of the ones with 8x speed xfire happen to provide that info...)

    Well. Yeah. Checked the biostar site just to be sure.

    Sorry for messing around :( I suck.
     
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    It has nothing to do with Biostart. But the abilities (or limitations) of the chipset.

    An AMD board for AMD CPU can handle 2x2 PCIe 8x slots for under $100. $125 and up for 2x PCI 16x and that is with PCIe 2.0! Also support for 16GB of RAM, while intel chipsets max out at 8gb.
     
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    Yeah. But it's AMD. And they don't have support for Intel C2D Q6600, lol. :D Let's do some heavy modding and we're fine ;)
     
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    They used too... The ATI chipset was working pretty good on intel cpus. I think a little wire and patience... it might just work. With 940 pins, theres plenty left for the intel's 775 pins! yeah!
     
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    Hey! That way you would get better cooling, as you could have an external CPU mount/box. You could just freeze your CPU that way. Wow.. Wiring, patience and a little experimenting...
    But what to do with the extra pins... Hmm.. Add a few splits and you have 240 extra pins, and ta dah! You have a slot for extra cache! :)
     
  9. nate93

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    Hmmm... acceptable, except for Compilers view on Asus
    Eh, I can go for a little higher of a price
    Dear g*d... its beautiful.
     
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    I assume Compiler's anti-Asus view doesn't reach to that board? I trust his view on Asus, but that just seems like a extreme choice for a high range Intel board...

    Yeah, not his view, but distributed for example by him. Still, it's the exceptions that make a rule. ;)
     
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    Its not just my view on ASUS. Its a lot of people... but as long as it works good - it doesn't matter.
     
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    Well, I've herd good things about their higher end boards. My friend had a Striker II and said it was the best board he's had
     
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    I didn't say ASUS or high end boards or crap... but how much of return value the provide. A striker board is $300 (old 780)~ $445... refer to message number 31 in this thread about performance difference.

    Heres a diffierent quicky - CRYSIS. Same settings with an 8800GTX card in 1280x1024.

    X48 @ 3.1Ghz CPU = 48fps
    X48 @ 4.0Ghz CPU = 53fps
    790i @ 4.0ghz CPU = 55fps
    790i @ 4.0ghz CPU = 61fps with 3x 8800GTX cards.

    In other games like UT3, frame rate is a lot better.

    But in terms of mobo performance between P35, P45, X38 and X48... not much. Here is a quote from Anandtech: "We can estimate now based upon the progress made in the past few days that the overclocking potential of the X38 chipset with current processor families should slightly exceed the P35 once it matures, much in the same way the P35 has exceeded that of the P965 over the course of the summer. At stock settings, the X38 is not any different really than the P35/680i - and for that matter the 975X chipset it replaces. This is disappointing but understandable as the X38 Express chipset is based upon the P35 core and is still saddled with an onboard memory controller.

    This memory controller design from all indications has just about reached its optimum level of performance after years of refinement by Intel. In the case of the X38, it appears that additional attention and emphasis was placed on DDR3 performance at the expense of DDR2. Several of the X38 equipped DDR2 boards have been delayed as the manufacturers have tried to bring performance up to par with the P35. While being at DDR2 performance parity with the P35 in considered a success by the suppliers, it might not be for the users. However, this has been the goal from the outset as you will start to see the DDR2 X38 designs supplement and then replace the higher-end P35 products in the $150~$250 market sector."

    The only purpose of a $275~450 motherboard is the ability to run more than one video card... Otherwise, a $80 P35 is just about as fast.

    So if someone 6 months ago blows $400 for a 790i board, spent lots of time tweaking it to stability, then spends $600 on a CPU, $800 for two video cards and perhaps an extra $200 for DDR3 4GB memory that is not compatible with new Core i7 CPUs. Total costs = $2100. Vs a $80 mobo, $190 CPU, $500 single 4870x2 card and 4GB of DDR2 memory = $870. The difference in frame rate? The cheaper 4870 is faster because it has the faster vide card. Put a single card in both systems, the difference in frame rate is still about 5~10%.

    Either 100 vs 105fps or 50 vs 53fps. Depending on the game

    This means either its powerful enough that it doesn't make a difference or its not powerful enough, it WON'T make a difference.

    If we're comparing between a PentiumD CPU and a Core2Quad... then that difference is obvious... on the same hardware, the Pentium D would get (lets say) 30fps while the C2Q hits 100fps... and then on the HARD game, 15fps vs 53fps.

    So... what is the extra $300 really going to buy you? 3~5fps of braggin rights.
     
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    The point was? Get a Gigabyte or such good brand P35 board and put high quality DDR2 800 or 1066 MHz RAM(Corsair XMS2/Dominator), Q6600 or Q9550, a good single, two-slot-cooled vid card(Radeon 4870x2/ GF GTX280??) in it, save yourself the 600 $ you would be using on CF/SLI and DDR3 RAM, spend it 12 months later to get a system way superior to the one it would buy you today. Right?
     
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    so what do you guys suggest i do?! lol
     
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