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MarkAm_i

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Hello, I have been learning about how to build my own pc recently. I am very new so I don't know what I should do yet.
Is AMD 64 the best way to go? I'd like to build a machine as cheaply as possible while getting the most bang for my buck.

I am upgrading from a 2001 eMachine so it won't take a lot to blow me away. The main thing I guess is being able to play the newest games at decent graphics settings while maintaining good frames per secs.

I've been told that AMD 64 is much better and it doesn't seem a lot more expensive. I see the front side bus and memory used for AMD 64 mobos are better. And if I want to go PCI Express I think that's the only way. On the other hand I've read that very few programs are 64 bit and I wonder how many games are utilizing the 64 bit technology at the present? Or how much that effects speeds.

If I get a 64 bit system, I won't be able to afford anything other than Win XP Home. I'm not sure what that will mean. I'm hoping I can find one for around 60 bucks.
I'm going to be on a very limited budget for the foreseeable future. Though, I don't want to make a decision that I will regret later on either.
Of course it would be good not to have to upgrade in a year.

I've been trying to learn about AMD 64 technology and just how much better it is than 32.
The AMD 64 3000 is listed at 1.8 Ghz freq:
newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103537

While the AMD XP 3000+ is listed at 2.1 Ghz:
newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103394


I'm not sure what to make of it. Thanks for any help.



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MarkAm_i said:
Hello, I have been learning about how to build my own pc recently. I am very new so I don't know what I should do yet.
Is AMD 64 the best way to go? I'd like to build a machine as cheaply as possible while getting the most bang for my buck.

I am upgrading from a 2001 eMachine so it won't take a lot to blow me away. The main thing I guess is being able to play the newest games at decent graphics settings while maintaining good frames per secs.

I've been told that AMD 64 is much better and it doesn't seem a lot more expensive. I see the front side bus and memory used for AMD 64 mobos are better. And if I want to go PCI Express I think that's the only way. On the other hand I've read that very few programs are 64 bit and I wonder how many games are utilizing the 64 bit technology at the present? Or how much that effects speeds.

If I get a 64 bit system, I won't be able to afford anything other than Win XP Home. I'm not sure what that will mean. I'm hoping I can find one for around 60 bucks.
I'm going to be on a very limited budget for the foreseeable future. Though, I don't want to make a decision that I will regret later on either.
Of course it would be good not to have to upgrade in a year.

I've been trying to learn about AMD 64 technology and just how much better it is than 32.
The AMD 64 3000 is listed at 1.8 Ghz freq:
newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103537

While the AMD XP 3000+ is listed at 2.1 Ghz:
newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103394


I'm not sure what to make of it. Thanks for any help.



Mark
I'd be more concerned with getting a PCI Express video card then the processor and MOBO that you can afford. You'll probably have to drop at $200 for a decent mid range card and $350 or more for a higher end card.
What I've read, you are right that the 64 isn't going to make much difference with most games and is a future investment, but what if it doesn't take off like predicted? You can always use a good PCI Express card. That's a tough call with a limited budget like that. I'm not a gamer so someone that is may have better advice.
 
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The 64-bit processor will only be significantly faster on a 64-bit operating system. That will require 64-bit drivers to take advantage of for your hardware, which isn't available sometimes.

On a 32-bit operating system those two processors would have very similar performance although the 64-bit would be slightly faster due to the on-die memory controller and HyperTransport.

For future upgradeability though, the 64-bit processor would be a better investment due to having PCI-E on most 64-bit capable motherboards, like you said.
 
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You know--one thing I learned when I was trying to figure out how to build a good video editing system was that video games are designed to take advantage of Nvida or ATI cards. So you probably should first decide what video card you want and then go from there. Because again, if you are on a limited budget and you decide you really really need a $400 video card, that's going to make your decision.
 

MarkAm_i

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Thanks for clearing that up about the system/processor differences. It seems that a low end 64 bit system is better by far.
Inertia, right now I'm on a very low budget. I can afford a 340 dollar tower if I can get Win XP for the $60 I heard about. It's probably not enough, but if you think you can do it....I'd deffinitely be interested in seeing what you come up with.

Someone did mention 'Christmas sales'. I'm not familiar with the marketplace around Christmas time. Is there anyone here who can tell me what to expect in the way of price differences on parts, and also, when around Christmas the sales begin?
 
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340 is loooow... a processor/mobo combo will be more than that. i would save some more $$$ and then build a new computer, or buy a dell (i know, sorry). i saw an ad today that advertised dells for 300 bucks. you are not going to get a decent gaming rig for 340 bucks...

heres what i got for 400 bucks, and thats with out monitor, keyboard, mouse, drives:

GIGABYTE GA-7VT600P-RZ Socket A - $46.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128281


AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Barton - $96.59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103377


some case: - $32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811180030


Thermaltake 420W PSU (which i regret recommending because to me thats just too inexpensive for a PSU) - $36.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153006


OCZ 512mb PC3200 - $61.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146898


Sapphire Radeon 9800PRO - $120.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102290R


total comes up to around $394 or something. its not great... but thats a low budget
 
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MarkAm_i said:
Hello, I have been learning about how to build my own pc recently. I am very new so I don't know what I should do yet.
Is AMD 64 the best way to go? I'd like to build a machine as cheaply as possible while getting the most bang for my buck.

I am upgrading from a 2001 eMachine so it won't take a lot to blow me away. The main thing I guess is being able to play the newest games at decent graphics settings while maintaining good frames per secs.

I've been told that AMD 64 is much better and it doesn't seem a lot more expensive. I see the front side bus and memory used for AMD 64 mobos are better. And if I want to go PCI Express I think that's the only way. On the other hand I've read that very few programs are 64 bit and I wonder how many games are utilizing the 64 bit technology at the present? Or how much that effects speeds.

If I get a 64 bit system, I won't be able to afford anything other than Win XP Home. I'm not sure what that will mean. I'm hoping I can find one for around 60 bucks.
I'm going to be on a very limited budget for the foreseeable future. Though, I don't want to make a decision that I will regret later on either.
Of course it would be good not to have to upgrade in a year.

I've been trying to learn about AMD 64 technology and just how much better it is than 32.
The AMD 64 3000 is listed at 1.8 Ghz freq:
newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103537

While the AMD XP 3000+ is listed at 2.1 Ghz:
newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103394


I'm not sure what to make of it. Thanks for any help.



Mark
on a tight budget, 64 is out, and wont buy you much anyway at this point. You cant be on a budget and get obsolesance insurance to boot, those two factors work against each other, to future proof a pc takes buying the latest or near latest technology which you cant afford. So lets approach this in this way, you want a cheap pc which can still play games. first of all dont worry about gfx card carry over because in a year or two youll want a better card anyway so agp is fine, a good budget card is a Chaintech 6600GT-128 $150, again budget in mind socket A mobo, AMD Athlon 3000+ barton 400fsb $105. mobo
ASUS A7N8X-X $60, ram Corsair Value Select 2x512 PC3200 $85, for a case Antec Sonata for $60 with 380watt Antec psu:
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=301861&pfp=cat3
your up to $460 w/o drives

figure about $60 for an 80gig hdd 7200/2mb PATA
$30 for a lite-on Combo drive
$15 for a decent cpu hsf
 
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in3rt!a said:
340 is loooow... a processor/mobo combo will be more than that. i would save some more $$$ and then build a new computer, or buy a dell (i know, sorry). i saw an ad today that advertised dells for 300 bucks. you are not going to get a decent gaming rig for 340 bucks...

heres what i got for 400 bucks, and thats with out monitor, keyboard, mouse, drives:

GIGABYTE GA-7VT600P-RZ Socket A - $46.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128281


AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Barton - $96.59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103377


some case: - $32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811180030


Thermaltake 420W PSU (which i regret recommending because to me thats just too inexpensive for a PSU) - $36.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153006


OCZ 512mb PC3200 - $61.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146898


Sapphire Radeon 9800PRO - $120.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102290R


total comes up to around $394 or something. its not great... but thats a low budget
DO NOT plan on a $300 Dell to play games, I mean it :cool: they dont even come with a agp slot or a decent psu, so dont go there.
This mobo is alright and cheap, my son has it in a NF2 version
I would recommend a gig of ram it really helps the BM scores and with game loading.
The 6600GT is $30 worth better for gaming than the 9800pro IMO, your call.
 
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yeah youre right all around. but for a tight budget, dell can look pretty sweet.
 
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in3rt!a said:
yeah youre right all around. but for a tight budget, dell can look pretty sweet.
A friend of my sons fell for it, now hes screwed, they are really just an office machine, not upgradable.
 
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brite750 said:
Thats a good price, I run a 10,000rpm Hitachi at work in a CAD workstation, runs fine.
i dont think he needs to spend the extra dough to get a 10k hdd.


but is the performance noticeably better?
 
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