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General computer problem that make my games lag (any)

Discussion in 'Games' started by Ilya, Jan 7, 2003.

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  1. Ilya

    Ilya Thread Starter

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    Hello, my name is Ilya Shodjaee-Zrudlo and i am 15 yrs old.
    My computer has many problems that i am unable to fix, even though i am not a complete stranger to computers, i am actually better than most. My computer is a Celeron 1GHz and has about 320 MB of RAM, a GeForce 2 graphic card, DirectX9, the latest drivers for my graphic card, Windows Me and much, much more! Technically a great computer, and yet, it is horrible! I can hardly play the lowest quality game and the higher quality games that my computer should still be able to play freeze up and lag so bad you cant even play. I am playing all my games at minimum settings and they still lag to the point that i cant play.
    Anyway, cud i have a list of steps or something to follow to check out wats wrong ? Need help pleuzze!
    :confused:
     
  2. Jtoast

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    1) the first step is to clean your startup menu. Go to start/run type MSCONFIG and uncheck everything you can live without. Be Brutal. The only things windows needs is scanreg, load power profile x2, and possibly systray if you have it.

    2) virus scan your computer. Go Here for a free online scan

    3) clean out the spyware...go Here and download spybot install it, run it, update it via its online update feature, then let it scan your system. let it clean anything in red.

    4) defrag your harddrive.

    if its still not working after that, post back and we can get a little more in depth.
     
  3. flyeater

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    Be sure your running your games in a video mode they can handle. OpenGL as opposed to Direct3D for instance. My bet is your video card is not set right.
     
  4. Ilya

    Ilya Thread Starter

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    Set videocard? How do you set a video card
    and what is OpenGl as opposed to Direct3D?
    (note: this is the person whpo asked the first question)
    thanks for that first bit of info!
     
  5. Ilya

    Ilya Thread Starter

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    And another thing, when the first guy was talkin about unchecking all these things, did he mean the startup stuff? If so, i keep it at a bare minimum all the time! And my computer still screws up!
     
  6. flyeater

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    List what games your playing and I'll try to link you to some tweak sites. If you can as tell me the complete make & model of your video card.
     
  7. Ilya

    Ilya Thread Starter

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    My graphic card is a
    NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
    Hardware version : 178
    Status: working properly
    Usage: exists in all hardware profiles
    Driver provider: NVIDIA
    driver date: 03/09/2002
    Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher
    Resources: use automatic settings is checked
    And no conflicts are detected
    What more should i add? and if theres more, where can i find it?

    Games:
    I play PC Gamer Demo games off their cd's (some of them dont work at all), Max Payne (doesnt lag that much at minimal settings, but has many compatibility issues), The Sims, GTA3, America's Army (that one doesnt lag that much though), Jedi Knight 2: Jedi outcast, Battlefield 1942, Worms world party (doesnt lag, though kept at minimal settings), Baldurs Gate 2, Dungeon Keeper 2, Starcraft, Red Alert 2, 1602, Conquest: Frontier Wars, Deus Ex, and a little more.

    I also have another issue with my computer, the longer i leave it on, the more it lags, i mean, right in windows: I move my mouse and it will move a centimeter, get stuck for 5 seconds and then continue, so i have to restart my computer every time its has stayed on for too long.

    I also have KaZaA, if that changes anything of my computer. My friends all have it and their computers dont lag so i dont think having KaZaA is the problem.

    Another thing, how should i benchmark my computer to see if everything is working like it should be for a normal computer like mine.
     
  8. GLiO

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    Besides a few of those games, don't expect a GeForce 2 to run any of those. Especially GTA3, Jk2, Americas Army. Those 3 games you will need at LEAST a GeForce 3 to run. If you want to discuss upgrading your video card, let me know.
     
  9. AtreideS

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    GLiO, did you mean to say GTA3, Jk2, Americas Army need a Geforce3 to run at the highest resolution. Because I know for a fact that JK2 will run on a GF2, just not at the highest resolution. I'm pretty sure all those games will run on a GF2, but the Videocard will be a bottleneck, and the graphics will need to be toned down for smooth framerates.
    JK2 uses a modified Quake3 engine. I have a Geforce2 Ti and can run Quake3 at a framerate of 125 at 800*600. From what I've seen JK2's modified Quake3 engine is not alot more intensive than the original Q3 engine.
    Bur from the other games listed it is obvious something is definately wrong if Starcraft will not run without lagging.
    From what was written about the lag growing over time, it sounds like something is eating up your CPU resources the longer the computer is on. Have a look at the Resource Monitor and check.
     
  10. fastfingeredfool

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    If you have Kazaa, there is more than likely spyware in your system. I had the same problem with the lagging, cursor moving slow, and generally slower performance the longer the computer was on. After running Spybot and getting rid of what it found, my system is running 100% better. It's definitely worth trying! Jtoast left a link for you to download it.
     
  11. Ilya

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    THanks guys, i ran spybot and eliminated any spywares, but my kazaa still slows down mt computer a little and as a note, i always run games at minimal settings and the frame rates are pretty horrible for my excpectations.
    Can someone please tell me how a computer with my stats (they are up higher above) should preform. Could someone get a frame rate or something that i could test out to see if it is running normally and its just me? Run the games at minimal settings for frame rates, please.
    thanks.
     
  12. flyeater

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    Grab a copy of 3DMark . After you run it you can post the results to their site. They will show you a comparison of like rigged systems.
    I was leaning towards Kazaa as the problem as well & would go so far as to just uninstall it then run spybot again. Every once in a while I try a P2P program and have yet to find it worth keeping. I have a tough time trusting any files from an unknown machine. Speaking of which do you have & run up to date antivirus software?
     
  13. Ilya

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    I have Norton Antivirus Systemworks and i check for viruses regulrly, though i rarely get any. Ill grab 3D Mark, thanks.
     
  14. Ilya

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    I got 3D Mark and benchmarked my system with low detail and i got this, since im no computer wiz, can u guys interpret. I cudnt find anybody that had the same system and graphic card, so i cudnt compare, maybe u guys eill, know, thx:

    System Configuration

    Operating System Microsoft Windows ME
    DirectX Version 9.0
    Mobo Manufacturer
    Mobo Model 694X-596B-977
    AGP Rates (Current/Available) 2x / 1x 2x
    CPU Intel Celeron 1002 MHz
    FSB 100 MHz
    Memory 320 MB
    Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
    Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
    Driver Version 4.13.01.4109
    Video Memory 32 MB
    Program Version 3DMark2001 SE
    Resolution 1024x768 32bit
    Texture Format Compressed
    FSAA Disabled
    Z-Buffer Depth 24bit
    Frame Buffer Double
    Rendering Pipeline D3D Hardware T&L

    Test Results
    3DMark Score 768 3D marks
    Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 13.3 FPS
    Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 2.4 FPS
    Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 14.0 FPS
    Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 5.3 FPS
    Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 18.8 FPS
    Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 7.7 FPS
    Game 4 Nature No hardware support
    Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 191.1 MTexels/s
    Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 358.4 MTexels/s
    High Polygon Count (1 light) 7.3 MTriangels/s
    High Polygon Count (8 lights) 6.8 MTriangels/s
    Environment Bump Mapping No hardware support
    DOT3 Bump Mapping 23.6 FPS
    Vertex Shader 3.7 FPS
    Pixel Shader No hardware support
    Advanced Pixel Shader No hardware support
    Point Sprite 43.5 MSprites/s
     
  15. flyeater

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    Intresting I couldn't find anything even with a google search. Not in english anyway.
    I wonder why your card wouldn't handle the nature demo? Granted it's the toughest one on your system.
    Obviously I can't really compare your system & mine but if it helps you here it is.

    System Configuration
    Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

    DirectX Version 8.1



    Mobo Manufacturer MSI

    Mobo Model MS-6380E

    AGP Rates (Current/Available) 4x / 1x 2x 4x



    CPU AMD Athlon(tm) XP/MP/4 1250 MHz

    FSB 100 MHz

    Memory 1024 MB



    Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400

    Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400

    Driver Version 6.13.10.2742

    Video Memory 128 MB



    Program Version 3DMark2001 SE

    Resolution 1024x768 32bit

    Texture Format Compressed

    FSAA Disabled

    Z-Buffer Depth 24bit

    Frame Buffer Double

    Rendering Pipeline D3D Pure Hardware T&L



    Test Results
    3DMark Score 7537 3D marks



    Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 104.0 FPS

    Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 35.3 FPS

    Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 149.1 FPS

    Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 83.5 FPS

    Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 97.6 FPS

    Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 44.1 FPS

    Game 4 Nature 38.6 FPS




    I'm going to have to chalk up your problems just to some system specs. That shouldn't effect the older games though. From Max Payne on though it gets pretty hardware intensive.
    Big bottleneck there. I believe thats due to your mobo not your video card.
    Celeron 1002 MHz : I don't believe that any of the celerons have L1 or L2 cache. How much of a difference this would make I don't know.
    I would assume if you begin to use up the 32 megs of ram on your video card it begins to use your cpu resources. Thats part of the idea of todays bigger badder vid cards, to give dedicated resources to doing just that.
    I don't know what size monitor your using but maybe you'll get better performance or at least better frame rates at a lower resolution.
    When you look at just my cpu compared to yours there's only a 25% difference in clock speed. Due to the difference in cpu architecture, mobo, video card & my overkill on ddr ram it looks a hell of a lot different. Trust me I feel bad when I read benchmarks for the latest & greatest Falcon Northwest screamer. Heaven knows I wish I had the cash to burn on a P4 system with all the bells & whistles.

    Here's the only thing I could find comparing vidio cards.
    Sorry it's such a large image.



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