graphic card upgrade

[gsen]

hi,
im using a 6 year old hp p6140 in
it comes with a core2 duo e 7400 2.8ghz processor ,3gb ddr2 ram, a ms 7525 bostonL motherboard a 7200 rpm hdd(all of this dosent consume much power right?) and a 250 w psu
now i want to upgrade my gpu to a gtx series and ive narrowed down on the gtx650 as it is a great card and consumes less power(64 w right?)...im aware that bottleneck issues might be there but i only want to play the latest games at decent fps...so i want to ask whether my psu will be able to sustain the gtx 650?...i'd prefer not upgrading anything else guys...

thanks people....

 

[Goodfeller]

What brand is the psu ?

 

[gsen]

its a bestec atx 250 12z...thats what it says....

 

[Macboatmaster]

On that PSU the max amps on the 12v rail is reported at 14amps
The card draws a max of 64 watts that is 5.3 amps
details of the psu are here
http://www.circotech.com/bestec-atx...wer-supply-250w-hp-part-number-5188-2622.html


The gtx650
http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-650/specifications


has these specs
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
4.38 inches Height


5.70 inchesLength


Dual-widthWidth



Thermal and Power Specs:
98 CMaximum GPU Tempurature (in C)


64 WMaximum Graphics Card Power (W)


400 WMinimum System Power Requirement (W)5


One 6-pinSupplementary Power Connectors


At maximum the card draws just over 5 amps. Amps is watts divided by volts
As you can see the minimum PSU is recommended at 400 watts


ALSO please note that a 6 pin power connections is required. Your psu does not it appears have one so you will need a molex to 6 pin adapter.


Check the dimensions will fit your case and you will run right on the limit on that PSU as your processor also draws a max of 65 watts
core2 duo e 7400 2.8ghz
http://ark.intel.com/products/36500/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E7400-3M-Cache-2_80-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

 

[gsen]

thank you so much for the detailed assessment macboatmaster...see id already visited the nvidia site ...there it said that a geforce 210 requires a 300w psu...but ive been running that for 3 years now on my 250w psu without any problems crashes or anything whatsoever....even on flipkart they mention separately if the gpu requires a specific power input--for eg the gtx 750 shows a must requirement of 400w...but the gtx 650 dosent show any separate requirement...so since youre the expert i want your verdict....can i run the gpu on 250w without damaging my hardware?

another thing...whats with the single slot(geforce 210) and dual width(gtx 650) thing?if the 210 fits a gtx 650 will also fit yeah?
also about the six pin thing...(i might sound like an amateur please forgive me)...flipkart ships the zotac gtx 650 with a dual molex 6 pin adapter...so that must imply that it can run on a psu without one right...like mine?

thank you so much for your help so far and the help you're willing to provide....

 

[Macboatmaster]

Yes as I said

ALSO please note that a 6 pin power connections is required. Your psu does not it appears have one so you will need a molex to 6 pin adapter.

which is what you mention on post 5

zotac gtx 650 with a dual molex 6 pin adapter...so that must imply that it can run on a psu without one right...like mine?

Re this

can i run the gpu on 250w without damaging my hardware?

As I said it is on the limit - can you run it without damaging hardware
Depending on the PSU - the answer is likely yes - except the PSU
If you overload the PSU output, it may well fail.
Whether that failure results in only the PSU depends on the quality of protection in the PSU. Perverse as it seems , it is possible for a PSU to fail and in doing so, provide over voltage to components.

Dual width means it takes up two slots see the images
http://www.zotac.com/products/graph...ime/order/DESC/amount/10/section/gallery.html

 

[gsen]

thanks for giving me a hang of this...i know these decisions are based on a lot of variables so saying a yes or no without vacillation is nigh impossible....so thank you for your verdict...ill go for the gtx 650...hopefully it will get along with my hardware....

 

[flavallee]

im using a 6 year old hp p6140 in
it comes with a core2 duo e 7400 2.8ghz processor ,3gb ddr2 ram, a ms 7525 bostonL motherboard a 7200 rpm hdd and a 250 w psu

There is no "HP p6140" model desktop.

Are you sure you don't actually have a HP p6140f or a different model?

What's the part/product number(P/N) on yours?

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[gsen]

frank,
at the outset id like you to check this out---http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01815020(just to tell you im not delusional)

and then the product number is ky645aa#acj and there's a something titled 's/n' which is ina933008f

please do get back...id like to get some advice...on the said matter

 

[Macboatmaster]

I agree
http://support.hp.com/us-en/product...ies/3942799/model/3945249/document/c01815020/
Figure : The MS-7525 (BostonL) motherboard

Figure : Motherboard top view

You will have to check if it will take a dual width graphics card. It is difficult to determine from the image above. check the clearance on those components - capacitors I think - immediately below the black PCIe slot
1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card


AND of course the PCI slot below that cannot be occupied

IMHO you may encounter problems, even if the graphic card fits, with overheat of those capacitors

 

[flavallee]

the product number is ky645aa#acj

According to product number KY645AA#ACJ, you actually have a HP Pavilion p6140in desktop.

According to its product specifications section, it came with this hardware:

MSI MS-7525 (BostonL-GL6) motherboard (has PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card)

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.80 GHz processor

3 GB DDR2 PC2-6400(DDR2-800) RAM (maximum supported amount is 4 GB)

250 watt power supply

i only want to play the latest games at decent fps

If your intent is to make a gaming desktop out of it, you're wasting your time and money.

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[gsen]

frank,
you've just overshot by several notches....i never said i wanted to build a gaming desktop...that's a ludicrous proposition to even think of much less act on...i just said i wanted a graphic card update and wanted to ask you whether my existing hardware is gonna support it...so as a trusted advisor if you can answer to that then id be much obliged...if not then...well then you've made your point...
thank you

 

[Macboatmaster]

gsen


I have provided you with a wealth of information in an attempt to offer you the best advice.
I cannot in all honesty see what it is that you are now wanting to know
As I have said - the PSU is not ideal for the card and the card being dual width and even with a fan it is likely to create temps, that MAY prove too high for those capacitors I have mentioned in my post.


My good colleague flavallee has pointed out that you cannot expect to run the latest games on that computer.
The graphics processing unit, receives its info from the CPU and that and the motherboard chipset will be unable to supply the data to the card at anything like the speed required for success in playing the latest games.


If there is anything else that you feel I can assist with - you only have to ask.

 

[gsen]

macboatmaster,
that is,in all honesty,what i wanted to know and you have been extremely helpful ...post no 12 was directed towards flavalle not you...i think i mentioned 'frank' atop the post (and id like to add that ac3,bf3,grid2 and a host of other games have run comfortably-24 fps+-on my pc...even bf4 at low settings...but thats beside the point)....in case I wasnt clear...thank you for your advice and i really appreciate it...believe me i do...ill check those clearance levels and get back to you

thank you,once again for your help

 

[gsen]

macboatmaster,


ive assumed that by capacitors you meant the rounded black things with silver heads and i didn't exactly understand the clearance part...Ive listed here the distance of various components from one another but if you meant the the height or anything of the capacitors you can tell me and ill check again
pci slot to capacitor-0.7cm
capacitor to capacitor(the two to the right immediately below the slot)-1cm
capacitor to capacitor(near one in the right end to the one towards the left end right below the pci slot)-8cm
pci to black rectangular chip-1.2cm(the chip with markings to the right and just below the marking n1996)
and pci to back slot is around 4.4 cm
i would love to analyse anything else you'd like me to check or look up....

thank you