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Hello everyone :)

I just bought a 1 TB Western Digital Caviar Green HDD (WD10EARS) and it said on the packaging that if I want to use it with Windows XP -
- I need to set a jumper on pins 7-8 if I plan to use it with a single partition or
- use the WD align tool if I plan to use multiple partitions and/or cloning tools
- later OS' like Vista or Win 7 don't need this.

So this seems one of the new models that switched from the 512 bytes sectors to 4k sectors.

I plan to use it as a single partition so the means the jumper right ? The trouble is I don't have one.

So I have some related questions:
1. Can I use the WD align tool instead - or is the jumper solution better, for full performance for a single partition?
2. Do I format the drive first or download and use the tool ? Has anyone done this before, thoughts ?
3. I dual boot XP with Win 7 RC - if I format it in Win 7 do I need to go through all the above - and if I don't need to - will it then work fine (full performance) in XP afterwards ?

Thanks!

Edit: I formated it in Win 7 and will hope for the best. So far it works fine, showed up in XP and seems to work well.
 
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... I formated it in Win 7 and will hope for the best. So far it works fine, showed up in XP and seems to work well.
Were you planning on installing a system on this drive ???

If I may ask .. I'd like to see a and a Crystal Disc Mark and a HD Tune bench mark tests from XP and W7.
 

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Just to clarify your questions, you can either use the jumper or the align tool, but not both.
http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=123
Nice chart here
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/advancedformat/
There are 2 methods to use align software
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=805
They say that Windows 7 doesn't need those tweaks except for cloning utilities (which I'm not going to use). So I formated the drive (single NTFS partition) in Win7.
So what I'm mostly interested is if XP can use it now that Win7 did the heavy lifting.

Were you planning on installing a system on this drive ???

If I may ask .. I'd like to see a and a Crystal Disc Mark and a HD Tune bench mark tests from XP and W7.
Nope, just for file storage. Win XP and 7 are on another HDD.

I'll edit my post in a few with the benchmarks results.

Edit 1:
Crystal Disc Mark on Win XP Pro:



Edit 2:
HD Tune on XP Pro:





Edit 3:
Crystal Disc Mark on Win 7 RC (Release Candidate) Ultimate



Edit 4:
HD Tune on Win 7 RC...



 

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So what I'm mostly interested is if XP can use it now that Win7 did the heavy lifting.
Me too .. It's my un-educated opinion that the Greens are only good for Storage use ...
And in an External Enclosure where heat may be a problem ... and I may be looking at it from different systems.

SATA 2 (3.0Gb/s) are obsolete now .. My New Black series .. SATA 3 (6.0Gb/s) ... Will be arriving this evening.
either way .. I suspect the speed bottle neck is the Hard Drive platter technology.
 

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Me too .. It's my un-educated opinion that the Greens are only good for Storage use ...
That's what I'm using it for so I should be fine. Low power consumption, silent, cheap and lots of storage.
And in an External Enclosure where heat may be a problem ... and I may be looking at it from different systems.
It stayed at 35-36 Celsius throughout the tests, and it's not exactly airy in my PC, stuck between two other HDDs and no dedicated fan. It looks cool to me. :p
SATA 2 (3.0Gb/s) are obsolete now .. My New Black series .. SATA 3 (6.0Gb/s) ... Will be arriving this evening.
either way .. I suspect the speed bottle neck is the Hard Drive platter technology.
But don't forget the most important bottleneck - the price; SSDs are not there yet, not for me at least.
 
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They say that Windows 7 doesn't need those tweaks except for cloning utilities (which I'm not going to use). So I formated the drive (single NTFS partition) in Win7.
So what I'm mostly interested is if XP can use it now that Win7 did the heavy lifting.
That answer is not clear, using the drive as storage for XP, not sure what the answer is. A very good question.

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Great .. Sounds like we're on the same page.
I have a couple 1TB Greens in a tight (No Cooling) USB enclosure .. They're great for this occasional purpose.

As far as my system discs .. I've moved up to the Black series with a 5 yr warranty and a 32bit cache....
As shown in my previous attachment ... And they look similar to your tests.

My new SATA 3 with a 64mb cache and twin processors is on the UPS truck headed my way as I type this.
I'm just curious how it will perform with my SATA 2 Mobo.

I've looked into SSDs .. But didn't like what I read about the Write problem.
Faster booting and loading of Photoshop would be nice .. But after that, My old system is as fast as I am.
For a couple hundred dollars .. I'll wait on PS to load :D
And my system boots about as fast as I can pour my morning coffee.

Windows 7 is so handicapped, I really hate using it .. And will use XP if I have any serious work to do.
But this reminds me ... When the HDD arrives I'll test it on both systems.
 

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I finished all the benchmarks. It looks ok, right ?

And the question remains:
They say that Windows 7 doesn't need those tweaks except for cloning utilities (which I'm not going to use). So I formated the drive (single NTFS partition) in Win7.
So what I'm mostly interested is if XP can use it now that Win7 did the heavy lifting.
 

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Finished all the benchmarks. It looks ok, right ?
From what I see .. It looks as good as my Blacks .. I was surprised because it shows it as a slow RPM drive ??
But I think the Greens use a variable speed ??? ... Should be great for storage purposes.
Isn't your W7 RC about to expire ?? ... W7 SP1 is being leaked now, Beta should be available soon :D
 

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Isn't your W7 RC about to expire ?? ... W7 SP1 is being leaked now, Beta should be available soon :D
Yeah, it started bugging me about it, though I don't really care since I do everything in XP. I'll upgrade it soon. Or nuke the whole partition. ;)
 

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... Or nuke the whole partition. ;)
If I didn't get it for free .. I'd have serious thoughts about having to pay for it.


Just my $0.02 worth .. But I do not have internal drives just for storage ...
They are for Backup storage ... and ... Backup Systems ...
Drives 2 & 3 have fresh installs in them .. ready for the next recovery
 

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I did not expect these numbers ???
Left to right ... Comparing a ...
WD SATA2 320GB 16Mb Cache ...
WD SATA2 640GB 32Mb Cache ...
WD SATA3 640GB 64Mb Cache ...
all plugged into a SATA2 Mobo .. running W XP
 

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