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Help using [email protected] to wipe free space

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  1. tiberius007

    tiberius007 Thread Starter

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    so i downloaded this product, and payed the $60 to get the government wipe, and all i want to do is wipe free space every now and then on my c: drive. so i used it on a usb flash drive 1st, worked great, didnt take long, everythings fine.

    then i try to select my xp c:\ drive, and i get a message:

    "This is a System Drive. To wipe or erase this drive we highly recommend you create the bootable media (?), restart the PC and run KillDisk from it." (??)


    it does not give me any options to select the 'Wipe' option (it is greyed out), but i can select the 'Kill' option (??!!). is 'wipe' more dangerous than 'kill' ??? there also is not options to select create "the bootable media" in order to "run KillDisk from it". i have been looking online as to how to create a bootable usb drive but it looks very complicated to me, and seems to relate to booting windows from the drive and i really dont know if thats what they are saying?

    customer support is no help, after filling out a long & complicated (for me) support ticket they just emailed me a link to buy their Bootable Media creator software, and a link to a video on how to use it.. i cannot resond to their email response, i would have to start a new support ticket. & no help looking through their support forums. i have no understanding why such a simple process should be so complicated.

    if anyone can give me any help on simply using the 'Wipe' feature on the c:\ drive i would greatly appreciate it. i guess my moneys gone but i would like to get some use out of the product other than wiping my usb drives. thanks,

    Jim
     
  2. valis

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    wipe is going to totally erase your hard drive. You will need to have an install disk to re-install your OS. I'd avoid that one. I'm familiar with killdisk, but I only use it to wipe machines that are being donated or given away, and I actually prefer DBAN for that.

    As for wiping the free space of your HD, personally, I'd not worry about it. Keep the machine locked up tight, if it's a laptop, put a bios password on there, and just go. No reason to wipe the free space, and it will put a lot more stress on the HD than necessary.
     
  3. tiberius007

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    valis-

    thanks for your reply, but the 'Wipe' feature is for "Wipe out deleted/Unused Data" as it states when you select it (& check the correct options). & it worked fine for my usb drive, my data was still on the drive after 'wiping' it, and all deleted/empty space was DoD wiped as far as i know. the 'Kill' option would completely wipe the entire hard drive. the odd thing is is that 'Kill' can be selected, 'Wipe' cannot, it is greyed out.


    on their website they state under the features for [email protected]:
    1. New Wipe function that wipes out all unused space on existing drives, not touching existing data.
    thanks again
     
  4. valis

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    personally, I'd be very, very leery of that. My take on it is that your hard drive is in your pc; you already have data that you don't want others to get, which is why you protect your pc in the first place. Cleaning up after you delete items, IMO, just stresses out the HD that much more.

    I would not use it, but if killdisk isn't helping you, maybe someone here has had experience with it.

    thanks,

    v
     
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    the 'safest registry cleaner' is a lot like the 'sharpest marble'..........if one wants to make a doorstop, by all means, use a registry cleaner. If one wishes to have a well-functioning PC, avoid those at all cost.
     
  7. Rache

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    I'm sorry, but in this instance you don't know what you're talking about. I suggest you read some reviews on CCleaner. If you goggle you'll find thousands of techies use it with absolutely no problems to improve system performance.
     
  8. Stoner

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    Agreed.
     
  9. valis

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    I don't have to google it. I, personally, have fixed around 3 dozen computers that CCleaner and it's ilk have cratered by rendering the registry completely unusable, and therefore, the rig completely unusable.

    The registry takes up a very small amount of space, and an even smaller amount of that space can be accessed at any given time. Unless you know what you are doing (which I do), it's best to leave the registry alone period. ANY cleaning of the registry should be done manually.

    Look at it this way; using an automated registry 'cleaner' is exactly the same as opening the hood of your car and cleaning it with a high-pressure hose. Yes, there will be some shiny bits afterwards, but there will also be a lot of damage that you are unaware of until you try to start the car.

    If you decide to use an automated registry cleaner, by all means, it's your choice. I'm merely stating that I've rebuilt dozens of machines that have been rendered inoperable due to the work of registry cleaners, CCleaner included. I know a lot of people that use CCleaner; none of them use the registry option.

    just search this site for 'registry cleaners' and you will see that I'm not alone in my assessment of them.

    thanks,

    v
     
  10. Stoner

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    Good morning Tim :D

    Something else I've thought about......
    With all the critical updates that XP has incurred over time and the half dozen MS 'fix-its' to the registry....I would be very wary about using any registry cleaner that might break security but still leave a system bootable.
     
  11. valis

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    hidy ho, stonerino.......:)

    Indeed, and that's a good point. The problem with ANY automation is that, while you theoretically know what it's going to do, you don't necessarily know what the outcome will be. Like the Iron Byron, the golf ball testing robot. Swings the same every time. But let's say we put a bowling ball in there instead. It will swing the same, but the effects could be a bit interesting. :)

    As has been stated ad infinatum in these forums, CCleaner itself is fine, just don't use the registry cleaner. But people do anyway, and I guess I call that job security. :)
     
  12. Rache

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    Mhhh. CCleaner has a built-in back-up, so if, and I say if (because in all the tech forums I've been a member for six years and never heard of anything going wrong by using it) you can always revert the registry back. Anyway, I always use Erunt to back up my registry because the MS system restore on xp is crap.

    Back on track, the wipe free space utilty on it is excellent, as is all the other utilities.
     
  13. Elvandil

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    There are no safe registry cleaners. Ccleaner is just as dangerous as any of them. Yes, there are "reviews" about them all over the net. If you trace the sites where they appear, you will find that most of them originate at the same address (or near network) as the guys who make these things. Registry cleaners are a good project for beginning programmers because they teach many types of sorting and collating skills. But they all make far too many mistakes to be used at all. And they all work exectly the same way, so none is any safer than another.

    All the pros on this board have had a lot of experience with these things, both in our shops, where damage from Ccleaner makes us money every day, and from posts here for help to repair damage. It appears that it is you who do not know what you are talking about. "Improve system performance" is a laugh since your machine will slow down while looking in vain for all the hacked out entries.

    It is true that errors in your registry can cause all sorts of problems. But what cleaners find are not "errors" at all. They define them as "errors" and then either fix them by deleting them, or make repairs that are almost always incorrect. They then see the incorrect entries as correct, and have thus actually introduced 100's of new, real errors into the registry that were not there before.

    Any registry error, when it actually exists, needs to be fixed surgically, not with a shotgun.

    http://forums.techguy.org/6657814-post1.html
    http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/605058-regcure-ruined-my-computer.html
    http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643
    http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/785344-hubby-wants-buy-regcure-any.html
    http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/708851-registry-cleaner.html
    http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/716128-solved-reg-cleaner.html
    http://forums.techguy.org/windows-vista/735414-vista-desktop-file-lost.html

    Even if registry cleaners actually worked and did what they are supposed to safely, what would be the net gain?

    I have over 800,000 entries in my registry. So let's say 1 million as a good approximation. So if we also assume that the "speed" of the registry is an inverse relationship, in other words, if it were half as large, it would be twice as fast, how much would this cleaner actually speed things up?

    If it found 5,000 "errors" (they aren't really errors, but let's assume they are since the cleaners do), then the increase in the speed of the registry would be 5000/1000000, or 0.005, or 1/2%. So in other words, by running a registry cleaner and removing 5000 entries (which is more than most find) and risking serious damage to your installation and programs, you have succeeded in increasing the speed by 1/2 of 1% (if it were even true in the first place that registry access speed is dependent on size in this way, which it isn't).

    Does that seem worth it to you?

    Registry "defraggers" ("compactors") may actually improve your registry access speed, however. These tools do not hack out possibly needed entries like "cleaners" do. They simply rebuild the registry, leaving out blank space and reducing the size. Auslogics may be one of the best since it does the compaction offline on the next machine boot. Some others do, too.

    Free registry defragmenters (compressors):

    NTREGOPT - http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
    RegCompact.NET - http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categories/LFWV/RegCompact.html
    WinASO RegDefrag - http://www.winaso.com/
    Free Registry Defrag - http://www.registry-clean.net/free-registry-defrag.htm

    You can benchmark your registry access speed to compare it at different times, or after a "defrag" ("compaction") to see if any real improvement in access speed occurred. The output of regbench HKLM -auto looks like this:

    Benchmarking registry root:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE [HKLM] hKey: 0x80000002
    /
    == Keys in hive : 359169
    == Enumeration time : 135625 ms (135.63 secs)
    == Total accesses : 100000
    == Total access time : 8609
    == Time per access : 0.086090 ms
    == Keys per second : 11615.75
    == Total bytes read : 10000046
    == Time to read all : 10157 ms
    == Time per byte : 0.001010 ms per byte
    == Bytes per second : 990099.00
     
  14. Rache

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    I can see where you're coming from with your aversion to registry cleaners as they can mess up big time. However, your prejudice is clouding your judgement regarding CCleaner. It is a multi-function tool, one of which is a non-aggressive registry cleaner. As I stated previously it has a restore function so that if anything does go amiss after cleaning the registry you can revert the registry back to how it was before. I take your point of how many registry entries there can be in the average machine, but whenever I've cleaned my registry with it there's never more than about 20 duff entries.

    I think you may be mistaken about there being a bias towards it only from those sites with a vested interest. These are just a few commendments I've dug up in a matter of seconds:


    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cfm?action=showthread&threadid=394942&forumid=1

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cfm?action=showthread&threadid=396163&forumid=1

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cfm?action=showthread&threadid=394128&forumid=1

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cfm?action=showthread&threadid=395083&forumid=1

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cfm?action=showthread&threadid=395530&forumid=1

    Have you ever tried it? As I said before you can always back up your registry using Erunt beforehand as a failsafe measure.
     
  15. Stoner

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    CCleaner is a very good file cleaner....I use it myself.
    Against my advice..... I have seen the registry cleaner in it make a family member's laptop non bootable.
    Recovery was done by way of a drive image. Thank goodness for drive image apps.

    At least with a non bootable computer, you know 'something's broken'.
    What you don't know after using any reg cleaner is whether you've broken software and/or security, even if the computer does boot......until something doesn't work.

    I doubt there are many people seeking help that would be prepared/know what to do after they've broken an OS with a registry cleaner.
    And it's those people that advice on reg cleaners is pointed at.


    http://chris.pirillo.com/are-registry-cleaners-safe-to-use/
    (worth reading)
     
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