Hey Mulder! Norway #1 ! ! !

[DNeurococo]

Mulder - according to a UN Human Development report, Norway is the #1 place in the world to live!

Now, Norway has a 60% tax rate, has been under the control of the Socialist Labor party, and is described as a "welfare state"!

It has been describe thus:
"This probably looks something close to a Communist regime".

One of Norway's "skillfully managed" state-run industries have amassed a public fund of $60 Billion.

They have "cradle to grave" services. Three year maternity leaves. Eight weeks vacation. Liberal sick leave. Reliable and inexpensive day care. One of the highest life expectancies (78.4 years). Low crime rate (police are unarmed).

In short, they out-point the U.S. in a number of areas.
Hah!

 

[Mulderator]

When are you leaving?

 

[GoneForNow]

Norway:
Approx. the size of New Mexico.
Population approx. equal to Colorado (4.5 million)
3% arable land (Can't feed themselves, must import food)
By far the largest source of income comes from oil and natural gas. Second largest exporter of oil, second only to Saudi Arabia.
The government acknowledges that this source of revenue will run out in approx. 20 years so the government has built a large surplus (60 billion + or -) to fund cradle to grave welfare.
All major industries are own 100% by the government, however the government recognizing the the loss of oil income in the near future is in the process of selling 1/3 interests in all state owned industries. With the intent to sell more in the future.

Sounds like the socialists are bailing out and letting the capitalists save these industries.

Source: CIA-The World Fact Book

 

[wen]

did you also know that Norway produce the safest frozen chickens.
lowest recorded bacteria in Europe!

wen

 

[Mulderator]

Another point he fails to mention (as with his beloved Sweden), Norway has very strict immigration laws. In fact, Kirkland would call them racist no doubt because the chances of a poor Hispanic or Asian or Arab getting into the country legally or otherise is zero. Bottom line DN is you have to sacrifice personal freedom and choice to make sure everyone is take care of. No doubt some people such as yourself consider that a better society, but most Americans would strongly disagree. Hell, even some Democrats and Greens would disagree

 

[mole]

What do you expect, it was an "UN-human" development report?

 

[JewisHeritage]

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[DNeurococo]

Quote: "Sounds like the socialists are bailing out and letting the capitalists save these industries"

Just like capitalists turn to socialism when they get in trouble - -
like George Bush's "economic stimulous" package (read "corporate welfare package").

Usually, when I get "stimulated", it means I am about to be
F****d!

 

[Mulderator]

Corporations?

DN--do you understand that 95 percent of the coporations are small family owned businesses. The local restuarant where you eat, the guy who does your taxes, the person who fixes your shoes, etc., etc. Assuming there is some corporate welfare in Bush's tax plan, why is it that you believe these hard working individuals don't deserve a little something back as oppossed to the welfare mother pumping out a baby a year? Why is it that the lazy should be rewarded while the hard working get screwed in your twisted mind?

 

[GoneForNow]

DN----You got that assbackwards, socialist look to capitalist to pull their fat out of the fire. Face it, Norway has a commodity (oil and gas) that a five year old could sell at a profit. Its not like they had to develop a market. So now the end of the road is in sight so the "progressive" government in Norway decides that now is a good time to sell these government owned businesses. I will however give you this only an unabashed capitalist would buy into a commodity business (oil production) when that business acknowledges that it has only about 20 years worth of that commodity left. What will really be galling to the socialists is that the capitalist will still make the business profitable.

That "corporate welfare plan" as you call it, continues the employment of tens of thousands of people, stimulates the economy, indirectly impacts second tier businesses and saves an industry absolutely vital to the continued viability of this country.

As far as what happens to you when you're "stimulated", I'll take your word for it.

 

[deuce]

Sorry I haven't read recent posts yet, (so sorry if this isn't relavent) but if you're talking about people on welfare who can't work and are honestly making an effort to get trained or in better health that is one thing... if you are talking about the people who screw the hard workers helping out the unfortunate and take welfare because they are too lazy to work, then they are better off homeless. I had neighbors like that. They all were in perfectly good health... trained enough to get a decent job... but didn't feel like they needed to work, so all four of them are on welfare, because then they can sit at home and do nothing all day. It makes me sick. They are taking money from us that was meant for people who truely need it, and now some one isn't getting it because of them. Our government needs a better system of dishing out welfare.

 

[deuce]

Well I read the rest of the posts...

I don't agree with the immigration laws, but I want to live in Norway. I love it there... however not so much the government, but then again, it is politics... sort of.

 

[DNeurococo]

Mulder - “Small family owned businesses?” You are making GB’s old “Mom and Pop” argument. That’s NOT who’s getting the money. People who are getting the money are Texas based businesses who supported George Bush. TXU (formerly Dallas Power and Light), a company with only 16,000 employees, would get a check for $600 million.

And why is it that corporations are described as “getting something back” while a mother trying to raise her child is described as “getting a free hand-out”? You know, the mother
paid taxes in too. The corporation probably hired a sleazy lawyer (I hope you recognize yourself) to construct a tax-shelter and move their money off-shore. Many billion dollar companies don’t pay a dime in taxes.

GB - It’s true that Norway has oil. Are you saying a country the size of the U.S. doesn’t have any resources, and can plead poverty, rather than mismanagement, as an excuse for
not being number one?

The rest of your argument is just the old “trickle-down” nonsense. Why not let corporations get “trickle-down” from the people?

P.S. Hey GB, does your "CIA factbook" list the number of LAWYERS per capita in Norway vs. the U.S.?

 

[cadaver queen]

Dn,
WOW!!!
Aren't they also considered the healthiest??Correct me if I am wrong but aren't they( the government) also doing genetic studies because of the isolation and the racial purity?? CQ

 

[DNeurococo]

I know they are doing studies of people from Iceland for that purpose (see "Politics and Biotechnology" thread). Hadn't heard of a similar thing for Norway. Norway does have free health care and a long life span (and, I'm guessing, good stats on other things, such as infant mortality rate, etc).

For a country the size of the U.S. with the resource we have to score so low on health measures is a crying shame.