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how to find IP address

Discussion in 'Web & Email' started by Baktash, Feb 4, 2003.

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  1. Baktash

    Baktash Thread Starter

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    if some one emails me for example i have an hotmail account and he emails me from [email protected]. How can i find his ip address and how can i locate him
     
  2. belenus

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    Hi Baktash,

    In Hotmail, go to options, then mail display settings, select either full or advanced for message headers. You'll notice a difference in the e-mails you've got now, they contain a lot more information. Somewhere in amongst that lot, you should see something along the lines of, "received from:", which will be followed by an ip address.

    Copy that ip address and go to a site like DNS STUFF and use the "WHOIS Lookup" on there. It should at least tell you who the ISP is for the person who has sent you the e-mail.

    Hope that helps,

    belenus :cool:
     
  3. brendandonhu

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    That IP is probably not the person's IP.
    For many reasons it could be something else.
    1. They could have a dynamic IP.
    2. Be on dialup
    3. Behind a firewall
    4. Spoofed the email
    5. Using a router
    6. Behind a proxy
    7. Behind ISP cache servers

    Besides, if you have their IP, there is nothing you can do about them. Its a common misconception. It might allow you to find out their ISP and report them, but their ISP is not responsible for emails they have sent. Instead, report them to hotmail.

    As far as finding out their location, WHOIS tells you the location of the person/company that IP is assigned to-not necesarily the persons comp. In my case, the IP gives the right city, but often it does not.


    So the IP won't be of much use if you are trying to report them for the email they sent or look up their address. For other purposes (i dont know what you need it for) it may be useful though.
     
  4. suzi

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    Most all ISP's do have terms or service or acceptable use policies which prohibit their users from certain activities - for example:

    "Using the Services for any activity that violates any local, state, federal or international law, order or regulation.
    Using the Services to transmit, distribute, store or access any material (by e-mail, publishing, uploading, posting or otherwise) which is inappropriate, profane, obscene, indecent, pornographic, libelous, harassing, constitutes a threat or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property, or otherwise unlawful.
    Using the Services to transmit, distribute, store or access any material (by e-mail, publishing, uploading, posting, or otherwise) that infringes copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other proprietary rights of any third party. You assume all risks regarding the determination of whether material is in the public domain.
    Using the Services to make fraudulent offers to buy or sell products, items, or services or to advance any type of financial/soliciting scams including, but not limited to, "pyramid schemes," "Ponzi schemes," "mail bombing," and "chain letters."
    Any fraudulent activities, including impersonating any person or entity or forging anyone else's digital or manual signature.
    Disrupting or interfering with the Services in any way, including through the uploading of files which contain viruses, worms, "Trojan horses," or other software or programs that may be damaging to the Services or another user's computer.
    Using the Services to transmit, or to facilitate the transmission of, any unsolicited commercial e-mail or unsolicited bulk e-mail..."

    So if a person is using their ISP to send emails which are in violation of their policies, the ISP can, and often will, terminate the account of the offender, especially if they are a repeat offender.

    I use the whois search to find the ISP of spammers, and sometimes they are spoofed or false IP addresses, but I have gotten some right and had responses from the ISP thanking me for reporting it.

    Brandan is right however saying that often the IP address is inaccurate but sometimes it is the right one. :p
     
  5. brendandonhu

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    Thx for killing a couple spammers, but in my experience the ISP never responded :(
     
  6. suzi

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    Most of the responses I get are canned responses. But 2 or 3 times I have gotten *real* responses. Enough to keep me motivated to keep going after those *&^XXX spammers :D

    3 down and about 3 million to go :p
     
  7. brendandonhu

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    An important thing to remember-dont report the spammer if they are not a spammer. Most of the time they are a "bulk mailer" so make sure you didn't directly or indirectly register with them.
    Today i got 1 junk mail every hour :eek:. It would not stop so hitting "unsubscribe" couldnt have made it that much worse. It worked, i havent gotten any more junk today. In this case, it was not a spammer, it was a legitimate bulk mailer.
     
  8. suzi

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    Brendan, I'm wondering how you define a legitimate bulk emailer. I NEVER sign up or opt in for special offers etc. But I get lost of spam. The official definition of spam is this:

    Electronic junk mail or junk newsgroup postings

    Actually the definition is more detailed than that but I didn't want to copy and paste the hyperlinks in the text from here:

    http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/spam.html

    The Federal Trade Commission defined spam as this:

    B. Concerns about Unsolicited Commercial Email

    Unsolicited commercial email -- "UCE," or "spam," in the online vernacular -- is any commercial electronic mail message sent, often in bulk, to a consumer without the consumer's prior request or consent. The very low cost of sending UCE differentiates it from other forms of unsolicited marketing, such as direct mail or out-bound telemarketing. Those marketing techniques, unlike UCE, impose costs on senders that may serve to limit their use.

    from this page:

    http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/04/unsolicommemail.htm

    the keyword is *unsolicited*.

    Check out my new page on my website:

    http://www.netrn.net/fight_spam.htm

    I have a lot to say about spam, and none of it is good. :D

    Also see Bassettman's thread on spam in the security forum if you haven't already.
     
  9. brendandonhu

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    Yup unsolicited is the important word. I don't get much spam at all, (maybe 2 a week) but when i had my AOL account, I signed up for every servic/site I could find, just for fun. A lot of the junk mail I got was solicited, because I signed up for all those sites.
     
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