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Illegally copying movies

Discussion in 'Do It Yourself (Not Computer-Related)' started by specter13, Aug 22, 2006.

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  1. r'n'r

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    Read the first post, the person says he already owns it but he wants it on his laptop which doesn't have a dvd drive
     
  2. Couriant

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    then tough titties. Get a DVD drive.
     
  3. thecoalman

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    No, that case you are referring to is to whether the RIO fell under the home recording act which it does not. It's simply labeled a storage device, which is what it is.
     
  4. r'n'r

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    Sorry about you are right that this didn't cause an amendment to the home recording act although the provision in the audio home recording act you refered to earlier is for artsists to reclaim money from recordings that people don't have an origional copy of e.g. downloads of music, taping off the radio, etc http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/ideas/AudioHomeRecordingAct.html
    but if you read the summery of the case I linked to earlier you'll see that its not just about whether the rio falls under the home recording act, but about space shifting digital media also, at the time of the case tranfering films over the net wasn't as practicle as it is now and what the judge says is now very relevant to films and the only comparison in law that I can find, if you'd care to point me to another case or a case that says that downloading a film oyu already own is breaking copyright or the applicable piece of law then I'll read them but untill I see a piece of law or a case saying otherwise I'll continue to state that it may be legal it may not and that no-one will know till there is a case brought and ajudge decides one way or the other
     
  5. thecoalman

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    That AHRA does not cover illegal downloads of audio, just ask the people getting convicted:
    http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=4824&CFID=17316141&CFTOKEN=29735460

    You can believe what you want but everything you have referenced has to do with audio so it's irrelevant. There is no provision for copying DVD's. The fundamentals of copyright law are you can't make a copy of something you own the copyright or are licensed to do so. Just because copyright law as it pertains to DVD's you own hasn't been tested in a court of law doesn't allow you to interpret as you want.
     
  6. r'n'r

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    the ahara does cover illegal downloads http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/ideas/AudioHomeRecordingAct.html and the people getting convicted are being convicted because they were proffiting from thier activities as you will see if you read what the charges were that they pleaded to in the link you referenced.

    The fundamentals of copyright law are not in question here although they are more complicated than you state, what is in question is the technicalities of copyright law which change quite often according to technological advance and case law e.g. betamx. The points in the references could very easily be applied to video.
    As to wether I'm interrupting copyright law I'm not I saying until a judge interprets the law its an open question, your the one interpreting copyright law by saying its illegal
     
  7. thecoalman

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    :p
    These are not just people that are profiting:

    Take your pick: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&l...2,GGLG:en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=riaa&sa=N&start=0

    The one about the dead guy makes for qiuite interesting reading. :p


    I'm not interpreting anything I'm twlling you what it says:

    There is no exemption listed for DVD, video.... You may be interested in reading the part about fair use listed in section 107

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html
     
  8. r'n'r

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  9. thecoalman

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    Sorry the first part is the first section in Copyright basics: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci
     
  10. gurutech

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    In my opinion, you have an illegal copy of the movie.

    BUT - If you somehow were able to make your OWN copy of the DVD on your OWN computer (obviously not the laptop, since you have no DVD player/burner), but on another computer with the ability to burn DVD's, then you could make a copy for your own personal use, for backup purposes. And as long as you do not allow others to make copies of your original or your copy, then you should be OK.

    But that's just my opinion.
     
  11. thecoalman

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    Most of the above back and forth between me and r'n'r is really meaningless because the DMCA prohibits the breaking of the encryption to make the copy which is on nearly every commercial DVD. The legality of the copy has become a moot point because to make the copy you have already broken the law.

    Bottom line is even if you were legally entitled to a backup copy you would have to break the law to produce the backup copy.
     
  12. JohnWill

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    I think we're done here. TSG does not assist in illegal copying.
     
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