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Discussion in 'Linux and Unix' started by Biffons, Jan 18, 2019.

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  1. Biffons

    Biffons Thread Starter

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    Yes, I would like to get rid of Windows as well. The biggest drawback of switching to Linux from Win seems to be to get all of your settins, programs and whatever to Linux. I assume, many programs (may be not that many, I am not sure) are not available for / working with Linux but obviously more than I had thought. Some searches show a lot more than I had thought of.

    These are super options, thank you.
     
  2. Johnny b

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    Are you using the official repositories for the specific distribution you're using?

    With Puppy, click on the 'install' icon on your desktop.
    Open the tab, 'install applications'.
    Choose 'Puppy Packet Manager'
    A new window opens up.
    Click on the 'tools' icon.
    Another window opens up.
    Click on the 'update' tab then the update icon.
    When the update finishes, you can then see what is available to install when another window reopens..
    From there it's simply following the instructions to install.

    The basics like Libre Office and Gimp are there along with a lot of names that won't seem familiar.
    Often, you might try searching for example 'Linux alternative to *MS what ever*' to find the name of what you want.
    There are sites that keep lists, but I haven't had the need.
     
  3. Biffons

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    Actually I would say, yes, but I am not sure. What / where are those? How can on recognize them? I will try with Xenialpup.

    I am not sure about the window. The "Puppy Package Manger v2" window shows up. It looks broken somehow, there is no content in it, nothing shown, it cannot be closed. And the tab "Choose repositories" in the "Puppy Package Manger - Configure" is shown.

    ...second try with another / new Xenial on another stick, seems to work. The "Puppy Package Manger v2" shows Packages, so all of the programs available here for installation now. I downloaded some, then the download froze, after a second one, no response anymore.

    (Portable) Win programs (with an exe file) cannot be installed or executed (bei double clicking the exe)?

    Yes, programs not available / findable here I would try to get with Google or so. Thank you.

    In the Puppy Manager on the left panel the repositories, does it matter which one of those I choose? ubuntu-xenial-main, multiverse. etc.? Are they all working on Xenialpup?
     
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    I can only conclude there is something wrong with your installed Puppy distro.
    I've not seen anything go wrong with the Puppy Packet Manager unless there was an Internet connection problem and it got stuck in the update process.

    Are you sure you waited for the app update to finish before moving to the next step?

    As to the distro list that is being updated, on mine I leave Tahrpup unchecked and the rest checked.
    Makes no difference which one you download from, simply different points of source that work.
     
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    EXE files and other executable Windows files won't run in Linux. Some could work in WINE but I've never tried that.
     
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    The ISO has right checksum. And I tried on two different sticks, easy2boot and with Universal USB Installer or YUMI.

    The connection worked.

    I waited for a long time at least and I could not see any indication that the download goes on.

    I do not remember to have seen Tahrpup.

    I do not understand which package I had to download when I want to use WINE. Is there one with Mint or Puppy?

    What does it mean when it says the package, distro is supported for 5 years or so. Is it not usable anymore after like Win 7 in one year?
     
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    This is what I see when I chose a repository and the download choices. It helps to type into the search box what you want to bring it up quickly

    choose repositories.jpg Puppy Package Manager.jpg




    As to End of life or Support.
    The distro is simply no longer updated for bugs and security. A new distro is often offered by the same source. A different Name but a similar layout.

    For the record, Win 7 can be used after EOL, MS simply no longer supports corrections or solutions for bugs and security.
    Some people go to 3rd party solutions after EOL.
    I have with earlier MS Windows. But the nagging question remains, are 3rd party solutions good enough?
     
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    There should have been a small popup message saying something like 'ppm successfully updated.'
     
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    So after that time one just has to use the new distro offered then, alright. And obviously it might be there is not offered a new distro so one would have to choose another one.

    Yes, it can be used anyway, but - I would think - without security updates it is much to risky, so actually it is not usable may be besides of using it without Internet connection.

    Which ones?

    Yes, after the working downloads there was shown a window with green or so, if I remember it right. That Puppy window was greyed out / milky and kept milky during the downloads not working.
     
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    There is always that chance with any company.
    Puppy, though, is more of a community effort by interested coders that build to a common theme. What you've probably seen and read of are the most popular, but there seem to be hundreds of Puppy variants because Barry Kauler who designed the first Puppy distro, made it possible for interested parties to make and modify their own versions.
    Xenialpup is based on Ubuntu and when Ubuntu brings out a new version, Puppy distros like Xenial often follow up with a new distro based upon the new Ubuntu distro and rename it according to the Ubuntu distro's naming.

    A little history:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux

    Naming, derived from Ubuntu distros.
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
    So this is what would be a possible replacement when Xenialpup goes unsupported:
    http://blog.puppylinux.com/upup-bionic-beaver

    [​IMG]


    :D
    That's one of the catches. As owner of your computer, it's up to you to find replacement security.
    TSG can help with suggestions.
    I've used Sandboxie from XP to Win 7 with good results.
    Firefox as my browser with 4 or 5 important extensions for security....which btw...I also use on the Firefox I have installed in Xenialpup.

    Post a screen shot if you can.
     
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    I guess, whenn using such widespreaded distros like Puppy, Mint one does not need to worry that much.

    Many thanks for the links and the screenshot.

    Ah I see, you mean Firewall and antivir program. Yes, that would not be such a big problem, I assume, if they will keep working with Win 7. I meant more of security vulnerabilities of Win 7 like they often or sometimes occur as far as I know with Win. And may be other programs might not work anymore after some time, may be Java, Framework, dependencies, etc.

    Sorry, what is TSG?

    I had done it, but I do not have any screenshot program on Xeniapup / Linux at the moment.
     
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    You are at TSG :D TechSupportGuy

    You don't need a special app in XenialPup to take a screenshot.
    Just press the keyboard key 'print screen' and you've got an image you can edit/crop and save. From there simply post it when you respond in a thread.


    I found the MS firewall to be about the best there was for Windows when using the advanced settings. At least for Win 7. That you would want to keep.
    I used the default anti virus. It should be OK for several years beyond EOL.
    It's the 'not yet found' buggy software issues and the missed vulnerabilities that will be the main issues. New threats often need new approaches for fixes and MS corporate interest stops when MS declares software EOL ( end of life ) .
    That's when the searches begin for 3rd party solutions/fixes. Eventually they dry up as the software in question ages and is used less and less.
     
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    TSG, oops!

    Although there are not any updates (for the Firewall) anymore.

    Although there daily or very often are updates during the supported period which will not be available anymore after EOL? So new maleware could not be recognized anymore? Or am I missing anything?

    So at least the use of Win 7 will or might become more or less risky and effortable after EOL.
     
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    I don't remember any to start with.

    That could apply to the antivirus app MSE. But the virus definitions from MS do seem to continue for several years after EOL.
    It would be the antivirus app itself that could cease to be upgraded.

    Tough question. For a diligent user that keeps up on security issues and practices safe browsing, probably not much of a change in risk for several years after EOL.
    For the rest of us.....well.....:D


    You asked about Linux alternatives for MS apps.
    Here's a link you might find handy:
    http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software
     
  15. Biffons

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    OK, may be not that evil after EOL...on the other hand I guess, I belong to the rest...well...so the end seems near(er)...anyway, better having started using Linux now instead of doing it some time after EOL.

    Ah yes, that's great, many thanks for the link to the alternatives.
     
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