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Discussion in 'Networking' started by ELYON, Oct 16, 2008.

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  1. ELYON

    ELYON Thread Starter

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    Hi everyone,

    Can someone please help me get my home network up and running. I have a WinXP computer that is connected by ethernet to a Datalink modem/router and a Win98SE computer that is also connected via ethernet to the Datalink, and lastly a Laptop running Vista which is connected wirelessly. Have used WinXP Network Setup Wizard on Win98 computer which others have said i shouldn't have done but it's a bit late for that.

    All computers can ping one another (including the Win98SE) but only the Vista and WinXP can see each other. Have searched Internet for answers and tried without success to get the Win98SE on the network.

    Have tried going into TCP/IP Properties on the Win98 to enable DHCP but it is greyed out and i can't select it. Any suggestions??

    Hoping someone out there can help me with this, at pulling hair out stage, but i don't want to give up on the Win98SE machine. Thanks in advance.....
     
  2. BigBadBern

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    If you can ping, that mean that the IP addresses are assigned and fine.

    Make sure to create the user ID from the Windows 98 machine onto the Windows XP machine, that's the only way I got my Windows 98 machine to be able to see my Windows XP shared directories.
     
  3. TerryNet

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    I know little about 98SE, but let's see the following for the 98SE and the XP ...

    Start, Run, CMD, OK to open a command prompt:
    (For Vista type CMD in the Search box after Start)

    Type the following commands:

    nbtstat -n

    IPCONFIG /ALL

    [Note that there is no space between the slash and ALL.]

    Right click in the command window and choose Select All, then hit Enter.
    Paste the results in a message here.

    If necessary use a text file and removable media to copy the results to a computer with internet access.
     
  4. ELYON

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    Hi BigBadBern,

    How do i find the user ID in Win98? Not sure how to proceed once i've got it. I'm a real newbie when it comes to this networking stuff. Can you tell me the steps once i've found user ID. Thanks for this.
     
  5. ELYON

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    Hi TerryNet,

    When i typed nbtstat -n i got the message 'No names in cache'. When i typed in ipconfig /all i get a rolling screen of heaps of info and i can't right click in the window to Select All. I don't know if this helps but the last lot of info about the Ethernet Adapter is:

    Description: Novell 2000 Adapter
    Physical Address: 00-40-95-A0-6B-6B
    DHCP Enabled: No
    IP Address: 192.168.1.5
    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway: 192.168.1.*
    Primary WINS Server: 192.168.1.*
    Both the Default Gateway and Primary WINS Server are the same address.

    Does this information help? I don't know how to save the other information on the screen, any suggestions other than right clicking in window?? Thanks for your help with this.
     
  6. ELYON

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    Hi,

    Can you please tell me how to bring up a dos window in Win98, tried the CMD command in Run but it just flashed on the screen?? Can only get ipconfig /all info only by accessing msdos prompt in Start Programs Menu.
     
  7. ELYON

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    Hi TerryNet,

    Have got WinXP's IPCONFIG /ALL:

    Host Name: acer
    Primary Dns Suffix:
    Node Type: Unknown
    IP Routing Enabled: No
    WINS Proxy Enabled: No

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
    Connection-specificDNS Suffix:
    Description: Intel(R) 82566DC Gigabit Network Connection
    Physical Address: 00-15-58-21-D0-9A
    DHCP Enabled: No
    IP Address: 198.162.1.3
    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway: 198.162.1.*
    DNS Servers: 198.162.1.*
    Both Default Gateway and DNS Servers are the same.
    Does any of this info help and should i change the HOST in DNS Configuration on the WIN98SE computer to "acer" as i have the HOST as "WIN98SE"??
     
  8. TerryNet

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    Sorry, with 98SE you have to type command instead of cmd into the Run box. But getting there the way you did is just fine.

    Unless you have changed your router to use public IP addresses for your LAN you need to fix the 98SE TCP/IP properties. Usually dynamic addressing is best, but if you need to use static for some reason I think you will find that your LAN addresses are not as you have shown. Whether or not I am correct will be obvious when you show, or at least look at, the ipconfig /all for the working machine.

    Host name of WIN98SE is just as good as acer.
     
  9. ELYON

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    With the ipconfig /all command on Win98SE i can only see the last window after it finishes scrolling the information. Any suggestions with what command to use to see all the information one page at a time? Can only see the last screen of information re:ethernet adapter. Sorry, i don't understand what you mean with static and dynamic. Can you tell me where to look for this and what steps i have to do to change these settings.
    Also, can you tell me how to share directories in Win98SE after i have enabled File and Printer Sharing? BigBadBern said that i have to set up a user name on Win98 and use it on XP, sorry i don't know what that means either, can you help me with this also?
     
  10. TerryNet

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    Every router user manual I have looked at (on CD or downloaded from the manufacturer's web site) explains in detail how to configure TCP/IP properties in various Windows and MAC operating systems. If your manual is an exception, check out the manual for the Belkin F5D-7230-4. Or the Help center in Windows 98SE.

    Don't worry about the user account until and unless you run into an issue with it.

    After you get the 98SE connected to your LAN here is a wizard way to enable file and printer sharing.

    Run the Network Setup wizard (found in Control Panel of XP). Tell it each of your computers connects to the internet via "residential gateway" and that you want to enable file and printer sharing. Create a disk at the end only if you have a Windows PC other than XP or 2k Pro or Vista.

    Windows XP firewall (if SP2 or SP3) will be properly configured by the wizard. You must uninstall or properly configure any 3rd party firewalls on each machine. Unique computer names and same workgroup, of course.

    The Shared Documents folder is automatically shared. Any other folders (or drives) or printers you want to share, just right click on them and sharing ... . When sharing a printer, accept the offer to load other drivers if your other PCs have different Operating System(s).

    When you first go into My Network Places there will be nothing there. The first time you click on 'View Workgroup computers' will probably result in great disappointment. It takes awhile (up to 15 minutes) before all the computers in the workgroup get up-to-date and accurate lists of the other computers. Often you can speed up this process via Search for other computers.

    When computers show up in My Network Places, double click on one to see its shares. If that includes a printer, you can right click on the printer to connect to it.
     
  11. ELYON

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    I have run a Network Setup Disk that i created in WinXP on the Win98 machine when i was trying to setup the Network. Should i run the Network Setup wizard again on the XP and create another disk for Win98 using 'residential gateway'? Would this make any difference as the computers can all ping each other's IP address?

    Also, i tried pinging the computers by name and can only ping the WinXP and Laptop, what am i doing wrong with the Win98 if i can only ping it by IP address?
     
  12. TerryNet

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    I never learned much about 98SE and forgot about the Command prompt non-scrolling window. An alternative to posting the info:

    nbtstat -n > c:\out.txt
    ipconfig /all >> c:\out.txt

    will create a text file "out.txt" on the C: drive with the output; you can copy and paste the contents here.
     
  13. ELYON

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    Hi TerryNet,
    Here's the results of out.txt for Win98SE computer:

    No names in cache
    Windows 98 IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : ACEROLD
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
    NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes

    0 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . :
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    1 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . :
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    2 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . :
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    3 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : Microsoft TV Data Adapter.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 5.0.0.4
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Default Gateway . . . . . . :
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    4 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : Microsoft TV/Video Connection
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 6.0.0.5
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Default Gateway . . . . . . :
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    5 Ethernet adapter :

    Description . . . . . . . . : Novell 2000 Adapter.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-40-95-A0-6B-6B
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.5
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

    Will put results of WinXP on next post.
     
  14. ELYON

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    Hi TerryNet,

    Here's the results of out.txt for WinXP computer:

    Local Area Connection:
    Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: []

    NetBIOS Local Name Table

    Name Type Status
    ---------------------------------------------
    ACER <00> UNIQUE Registered
    WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
    ACER <20> UNIQUE Registered
    WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
    WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
    ..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : acer
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) 82566DC Gigabit Network Connection
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-58-21-D0-9A
    Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

    Thanks again for your help with this networking problem. Hope this info helps cause being a network newbie, it's all jargon to me. Does this explain why the computers can ping one another's IP addresses but not able to ping by name??
     
  15. TerryNet

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    That "No names in cache" output for the nbtstat -n for the 98SE has a lot to do with the failure to ping by name. Note that in the corresponding output for the XP we can see the XP's host name (acer), workgroup name (WORKGROUP), and that several other names (shared folders) are available.

    My lack of 98SE knowledge prevents me from helping any more (if I've even helped at all). If you get no other response in the next 20 hours or so, 'bump' the thread.
     
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