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llquery

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I am a bit of a newbie and am willing to try out things. BUT am having a bit of a problem.

I have been successfully recording my cassette tapes and lp records to my computer using Audacity. Some of my tapes are old and 'may' be a little worn or stretched resulting in noise I cannot clear using Audacity. Does anyone know if there is a way to clean these up a bit better?

Also, does anyone know if there is a copying software out there that will name the tracks the song-artist name rather than just track 1, 2 3 etc?

thnx lori
 

hl5

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Here are a few leads. Programs like Cool Edit (now Adobe Audition) and Sound Forge let you do more meaningful noise reduction. With Cool Edit, you select a period of what is supposed to be silence (but actually has clicks), and the program then uses that data to cancel out the static. If you need high-quality noise reduction, you'll need an algorithm at least as sophisticated as that. Those two products aren't cheap, though. You should be able to find an older version of Cool Edit for a lot less than the $300 that Audition now costs (i.e. on Ebay).

A relatively simple solution is Pinnacle/Steinberg Clean, around $40 or maybe cheaper.

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1359&Langue_ID=7

For something casual, that should be good enough. Then there are higher end products that cost more than $1000.

http://www.algorithmix.com/en/denoiser_pro.htm
http://www.enhancedaudio.com/dc_live.htm
http://www.digidesign.com/products/details.cfm?product_id=3180

The first one's a DirectX plug-in for a professional audio program like Sound Forge or Audition (or something pricier than those).

And ultra-high-end, several thousand dollars.

http://www.sonicstudio.com/
http://www.cedar-audio.com/
http://www.cube-tec.com/

In between those extremes are the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-ins which are in the two hundred and some dollar range.

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/ShowProduct.asp?PID=14

These guys also have a product in that range.

http://www.enhancedaudio.com

DC SIX is $200.

http://www.enhancedaudio.com/dc_six.htm

DC Millennium is $60, but does a lot more than what you're using now.

http://www.enhancedaudio.com/millennium.htm

Also in the $60 range is Algorithmix Easy Tools, which sounds easy to use and is probably a slight step up from Clean.

http://www.algorithmix.com/home/pro_audiograbber_new2.htm

Soundsoap is in the $100 range and is supposed to be easy to use. The company also makes higher end software.

http://www.bias-inc.com/

Alien Connections' Pristine Sounds 2000 is about $250, competing with programs like DC SIX.

http://www.alienconnections.com/

There are plenty of other products. At the low end there are programs like Wave Corrector, WAVclean, Wave Repair, Acoustica, Groove Mechanic, Popfix, Clickfix, Microsoft Plus! Digital Media Edition, and MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab, and in the middle range are Dart XP Pro, Sound Laundry, and the Virtos Noise Wizard plug-ins (basic wave editors like WavePad also have noise reduction, though probably not more than what you have now). Ray Gun is a middle-end program for the Mac.

A few.

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_RESTORATION/

If you're looking for an audio editor like Audacity, I'd try to find a cheap copy of Cool Edit Pro, and if that isn't good enough, buy a DirectX plug-in like Sound Forge Noise Reduction to add to it.

For a simple and cheap solution, I'd probably go with Pinnacle Clean. Alternatively, I might try one of the DC products from enhancedaudio.com / Tracer Technologies / Diamond Cut (they sell plug-ins as well, some which may even work with Audacity). If you have questions you can call them. Easy Tools, Soundsoap, and Pristine Sounds also appear to be good at various price ranges.

Cool Edit 2000 is a stripped-down older version of Cool Edit. You can try to find that on the net, and I think it has noise reduction capabilities. I.e.

http://www.sonicspot.com/cooledit/cooledit.html

Even Cool Edit 96, from way back, I think has the feature.

http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/cool_edit_96.shtml

Goldwave is a cheap sound editor that may support the noise reduction plug-ins (i.e. $50 for Goldwave and $200+ for a plug-in rather than $300+$200). Cool Edit is better, but as I said it's now a $300 Adobe product unless you find an older version.

http://www.goldwave.com

There are probably programs that automate all of this, but that also probably compromises the quality since you can't listen to what's going on.

If you need more help on any of this, you can try an audiophile tech forum like this one:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org

Random links:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1554569,00.asp
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/homereference/0,39024150,10002388,00.htm
http://club.cdfreaks.com/lite/t-94226.html
http://www.dak.com/Reviews/tutorial_LP_WE.cfm
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/lpripper/lpripper.htm
http://www.audiotoolsdirect.com/vinyl.shtml
http://www.audiotoolsdirect.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi/forum/25.html
http://www.whiningdog.net/Articles/Audio/20021211-LP2CDR/page3.php
http://www.jakeludington.com/plus-analog-recorder-3.html
http://www.sonicspot.com/
http://emusician.com/dsp/emusic_noise_busters/

A guy who does it manually:
http://www.audio-restoration.com/

A long tutorial with some tips:
http://emusician.com/dsp/emusic_noise_busters/


As for the second part of your question, I doubt there's an easy way to automatically name tracks you extract off of analog devices. If that technology exists, it's probably expensive and quirky and probably more hassle than it's worth.

There may be MP3 utilities that will at least try to identify the songs. ID3Man can supposedly use "frequency fingerprinting" to identify a song. Give it a shot if you want.

http://www.id3man.com/

You might also be able to save a step by using a utility that can add MP3 info from filenames or vice versa, so you don't have to enter info twice. I.e. Zortam ID3 Tag Editor, TagScanner, MP3 Tag Tools, PZ Tag Editor.
 

hl5

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I see that Goldwave now has some decent noise reduction features too.

http://www.goldwave.com/features.php

And duking out at the higher end with Sound Forge and Audition (Cool Edit) in the wave editor category is Wavelab, which costs a cool $700 (as opposed to $300 for Audition and the downright humble $50 or so for Goldwave).

http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2181&Langue_ID=7

These four are not noise reduction programs specifically. They're wave editors with some noise reduction features built-in that also support extra plug-ins for more noise reduction capabilities.

I was interested in this as well, so I shared a few things. No doubt more than you needed, but maybe useful to someone. As far as I know, most of the stuff I mentioned besides the cheapo ones will probably work OK -- and it just depends on price range or what you're looking for.
 
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