Paine: "The Age of Reason"

plschwartz

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I wish to thank all of the "bible thumpers" who post on the board and especally the mud-wrestling champ ValeeeGirl.
Were it not for them I would never have reviewed certain aspects of religion, or rediscovered The Age of Reason by the extrordinary Thomas Paine
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/index.htm
Paine was that American product a self-educated man. He with Franklin and Jefferson had perhaps the greatest intellectual effect on the shaping of America.
Ican highly recommend this book to my Bible-thumping and Bible-thumping-thumping friends, and of couse to our foreign friends (whether one-thump or two) who may never have come across him.

Does not God work in mysterious ways.
 
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Tuppence2

Hello there,

Thanks very much for the link. I have heard the title before, but not read it. I've ordered the Cosmic Conscience book - it was actually in stock at the headquarters of my town's library, so I should be receiving it soon.

Just reading "Hare Brain, Tortoise Mind" by Guy Claxton (Why intelligence increases when you think less). It is very interesting.
About the slow ways of thinking, the sub-conscious cogitation of the mind and intuition, etc.

Bye
Penny.
 
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Yeah, Thomas Paine was great. They are trying to more or less write him out of history (well, at least to de-emphasize him) because he was too radical and non-religious.

I also thank you for the link.
 
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Tuppence2

Yes, and it's excellent to be able to read it on line.

:) Penny
 
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maxximilian

Required reading for a college course I had. Got a copy laying around here somewhere. Hope I can find it...since it is better to "thump" people with the paper version than the HTML version. It hurts more.... :D :D

Thanks for the reminder.... :)
 
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Excellent link and thanks for posting it.

It's just a matter of time before the religious extremism that is present and prevalent today manifests itself on mankind in a violent and disastrous way. Millions will die all in the name of God, destroyed by the few who claim to be doing God's bidding and fulfilling ancient prophecies.
 
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maxximilian

^^^^^bump^^^^^

Oh no you don't.........

Caught this baby trying to slip off the front page.......

Not until EVERYBODY has a chance to read it... ;)
 
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Jonesiegirl

a lil subliminal message there mysterious one? ;) *Kath makes a mental note to read* (after the star wars homework is done) :D
 
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maxximilian

Actually...no subliminal message at all....

...read the books...read the books...read the books...

Just didn't want this thread to drop into the nether regions known as "next page"... ;) :D

Yes...you have this one to read and lets not forget Candide and I am still waiting on those Star Trek book reports young lady... ;)
 
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Jonesiegirl

I am still waiting on those Star Trek book reports young lady...
*Hangs her head 'n hands you a pile of 20 post it notes* :p





maxx...I promise to read the books! *grin*
 

plschwartz

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Mulder:
I had been hoping to hear from you on this thread.
But I can understand why not. Paine presents a real problem for the so-called constitutional conservatives, for standing across our early history is Thomas Paine like the collossus of Rhodes.
see http://www.thomaspaine.org/
The night before our army broke out of valley forge, the men were taken into small groups and Paines letter about the "summertime soldier" was read to them. They went on the offensive and to Princeton.
He was however generally hated by the landed class ( God had never opened a land office, he held, from which perpetual deeds to the earth should be issued. ) "For ten months, from December 28, 1793, until November 4, 1794, Paine remained in the Luxembourg prison, living in daily fear of being executed. To every appeal for his release he received the reply that he was considered an Englishman, not an American citizen, by the French officials, and that the government of the United States refused to regard him as citizen and authorize his release. Unaware of the role Gouverneur Morris was playing in conspiring to keep him in prison and at the same time leading the government of the United States to believe that he had done everything possible to help him, Paine grew more and more bitter toward Washington and interpreted the American President's silence as the most brutal type of ingratitude.)Psuedo-conservatives like Clarence Thomas or Anthony Scungeli simply ignore his presence and effect. But he was there and any strict constitutionalism must include his thought.
 
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Thanks for the other link.

Here is one of my favorite Paine quotes:

"It is the pride of kings that throws mankind into confusion."

Paine was talking about kings getting the population into wars.
Constitutionally, only the Congress should have the ability to take this country into war. Sadly, Congress has abdicated this responsibiliy, and now it is the President who decides to make war.
 
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Tuppence2

Just a snippet from "The Age of Reason"

Thomas Paine

PART FIRST.

IT has been my intention, for several years past, to publish my thoughts upon religion. I am well aware of the difficulties that attend the subject, and from that consideration, had reserved it to a more advanced period of life. I intended it to be the last offering I should make to my fellow-citizens of all nations, and that at a time when the purity of the motive that induced me to it, could not admit of a question, even by those who might disapprove the work.

The circumstance that has now taken place in France of the total abolition of the whole national order of priesthood, and of everything appertaining to compulsive systems of religion, and compulsive articles of faith, has not only precipitated my intention, but rendered a work of this kind exceedingly necessary, lest in the general wreck of superstition, of false systems of government, and false theology, we lose sight of morality, of humanity, and of the theology that is true.

As several of my colleagues and others of my fellow-citizens of France have given me the example of making their voluntary and individual profession of faith, I also will make mine; and I do this with all that sincerity and frankness with which the mind of man communicates with itself.

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.

I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.

Penny
(I am setting myself to read a section a day - that should keep me busy for a while!).
 

plschwartz

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Penny:
Thought you might like him:
Don't suppose he is too popular in thr UK;)
 

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