PC Issues: Fist PSU, then GPU and finally CPU overheating

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Tangeton

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I am so sorry for the long post but please PLEASE help me I do not know what to do at this point. I already cried over this.

So basically my PC started restarting first of all, out of no where. It didn't start roaring or get louder but all of a sudden i'd find that it would randomly shut off even though its generally clean. I use the MX-4 thermal compound and this was still fresh even after looking at the CPU today. It would first shut off on games but then it would end up doing it anytime what so ever. There would be also sometimes complete screen freezes, blue screens, whatever you can think of really. I believed it was the faulty PSU. Quite frankly very certain of it because I've brought a keyboard and a mouse and felt like it would be pulling more wattage than before. So I made my way to get just any PSU at this point because I could not get it sent to me as it would take too long. I had some unknown brand's 450W and then upgraded to 750W Evga GQ.

As I hoped for, it has actually started working fine. It was not loud or anything, so I do not believe the CPU was overheating at those stages. It was fine from the 25th May to 4th of June, yesterday, when suddenly, in game, I got blue screen, lines all over, blurred screen/half screens/quarter screens just everything screens that could happen to screens. So I was like 'kay, looks like graphic card let's try to take out the Radeon HD 6700 and try and use my sister's previous GPU, the GTX 460 and see if it works.

Let me also note in the end that the pc monitor didn't even detect video with the Radeon thereafter and that I also applied the compound to the GPU's processor as I was replacing the PSU. The previous compound was actually scattered around the black area with the gpu's processor at its center, which is weird because I did not have this kind of problem with the CPU I always made sure to just put that little dot. I cleaned it with acetone but some bits were still around the GPU's little silver blocks in the black area surrounding the gpu's processor. I think that it could of been due to the left over compound that my card went but it is at least suspicious that it was fine until yesterday, and went quite after I changed my PSU.

Now, I put the GTX 460 in. Its fine for like one 10minute game. Then, when I come back after a while, my PC shuts off shortly after starting a game. Then again after restart just after loggin in besically. I strip the cpu, which I haven't touched for the whole above process, after I inspected the CPU increasing to the temperature of 53 degrees while gaming when PC shuts down. The compound is not over spilled in this case but I do reapply without spreading. After watching multiple videos on the amount of compound it doesn't look too little or too much.

I try it out. I have started up same game and now my cpu goes all the way to 56 degrees, without shutting down for about 1/2h, but of course the overheating is still an issue. I noticed also it gets roars out around that temperature, above 50 it starts to roar, then calms down, goes to 47 but then up again and it could even reach 56 before going down again. It's max 36 degrees at startup and just oscillates when in windows. I saw like 18 degrees, but mostly in windows its about 27 degrees I believe. Now its mostly at 50 degrees during gameplay. It's really upsetting because I actually wanted to upgrade to 750Ti.

My case is so so standard and i got one fan on cpu, gpu and back of the case. Classic fan size. I understand that a lot of overheating attributes to bad air flow but basically I am really unsure that is true because temperatures were like the same when the case is closed and with both sides of the case actually open. If it was caused by bad flow in the case, the heat getting trapped, it still wouldn't go up that high with the case opened up. It was hot today so like about 21-23 degrees in the room right now, but I have never felt this much heat from PC before applying the GTX 460 card, or this much sound. Also these are the stats for the two graphic cards http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-6670-vs-GeForce-GTX-460 and it just doesn't feel right that such a difference could be attributed to such a small upgrade. Especially since both the radeon and the gtx have fan in the exact same place, so air would flow the same as with the radeon card.

As much as I just want to upgrade the case to a better cooling one, I don't want to do so without being certain of what is actually going on. I also honestly feel like it may be my motherboard, how do I check if this motherboard is compatible with the GTX 460? Because if it is that then even if I buy all that cooling, my temps would still be high. Please also note that the cpu's heatsink is the hot stuff. Very hot stuff. The air around it is not so much. And the GPU is totally cool.

The PC was acquired 2011/2012.

Stats of my other stuff:
CPU: AMD FX-8120
Motherboard: M5A87
The case is similar to https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&r...sDmYaYyBJDgSI0f0p79V0mPA&ust=1465269514000110 .

It looks like this is also the MSI version of the GTX 460 code GF104..?


AGAIN I am SO SORRY for the long post but I just want to give as much information as possible to get any help/ ideas whatsoever!!

EDIT: I checked https://pcpartpicker.com/list/#incompatibilities for compatibility and it seems fine with those components.
 
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Do you have the correct CPU cooler/heatsink for your CPU? did this cooler come with your cpu or did you buy it separately?

also have you tested you RAM? you can download MEMTEST86 (google it) burn it to a dvd, you will need to boot your pc with this dvd and run a test. see if this finds any errors with any of your ram modules.

the 'roar' as you describe it, shouldn't really happen that often, so I am wondering if the cooler is sufficient - please answer the above and also let us know how you get on with memtest
 

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Do you have the correct CPU cooler/heatsink for your CPU? did this cooler come with your cpu or did you buy it separately?

also have you tested you RAM? you can download MEMTEST86 (google it) burn it to a dvd, you will need to boot your pc with this dvd and run a test. see if this finds any errors with any of your ram modules.

the 'roar' as you describe it, shouldn't really happen that often, so I am wondering if the cooler is sufficient - please answer the above and also let us know how you get on with memtest
This cooler came with the CPU. Everything was set up for me by an outside company, PCspecialist. It is actually called Titan TCC-NK85TZ/CS2. It would be weird if they gave me this cooler for a cpu that requires a better one, but I do understand that they may of under cooled due to not so requiring GPU in comparison to GTX 460 but I don't know what cooler to actually buy if this is the problem, and I don't want to try to blind-fix.
 
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It is not uncommon for companies to install incorrect coolers, I have fixed this sort of problem on a few computers over the years, and its surprising. Other than that, I would check the ram as per my instructions above. you have sort of ruled out the PSU, GPU and for now the CPU so lets check the ram then we can try to figure out what is going on.
 

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It is not uncommon for companies to install incorrect coolers, I have fixed this sort of problem on a few computers over the years, and its surprising. Other than that, I would check the ram as per my instructions above. you have sort of ruled out the PSU, GPU and for now the CPU so lets check the ram then we can try to figure out what is going on.
Can you do this process you speak off using a USB stick? I don't have any spare discs just laying around.
 

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Yes, you can put memtest on a usb; in fact there is even a .exe file you can download at the memtest site that makes the usb for you.
http://www.memtest.org/
Next check your temps and voltages in the bios. Normally I would tell you to download/install asus probe however it is not an option on the support page for your mb. Post the following; cpu temp, system temp, 12V, 5V, and 3.3V values. Let it run for a while in the bios and see if the voltages go up and down.

What bios are you running on that board? There are LOT of bios updates that address system stability.
 
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A very good suggestion crjdriver, I didn't consider BIOS updates.

Would still be a good thing to test the ram anyways just to eliminate them I guess.
 

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Yes. Test the ram first. Then check temps and voltages in the bios. When other things have been eliminated, then and only then go on to bios updates.
I would not be surprised if the board is failing. I like and use asus motherboards however that particular board is one of the most problem prone ones asus ever released. If you look at all of the bios updates trying to fix stability issues, that alone says a lot about a mb. Asus generally designs pretty good boards however that one is the exception.
 

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Yes. Test the ram first. Then check temps and voltages in the bios. When other things have been eliminated, then and only then go on to bios updates.
I would not be surprised if the board is failing. I like and use asus motherboards however that particular board is one of the most problem prone ones asus ever released. If you look at all of the bios updates trying to fix stability issues, that alone says a lot about a mb. Asus generally designs pretty good boards however that one is the exception.
I have done the memtest:
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It was a bit difficult to find the voltages... These were the only ones I have found:
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I dont know if these are okay or not (especially the first three due to what it says on the right hand side). Could you please help me diagnose?

I couldnt find anything in the bios that said 3V 12V etc...

Thank you
 

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Let me just note that throughout the memtest, I had mostly 49 degrees temp during the memtest. It could climb to 51.
 

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You are on the overclocking menu. You need to look under hardware or health. Each bios [and even sometimes different revisions] have different menus/options. Unless the system is sitting in front of me, it is difficult to give you exact instructions on where to find the info.
 

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You are on the overclocking menu. You need to look under hardware or health. Each bios [and even sometimes different revisions] have different menus/options. Unless the system is sitting in front of me, it is difficult to give you exact instructions on where to find the info.
Sorry I looked but cant find. Here are the main tabs. Nothing looks like health or anything. Nothing similar in advanced.
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I found a manual if it helps but to me it doesnt say anything about what I am looking for under any of the directory... i uploaded it as a file.

Thanks for help.
 

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