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Pete Townsend-Would You Give Him the Benefit of Doubt?

Discussion in 'Random Discussion' started by angelize56, Jan 14, 2003.

  1. angelize56

    angelize56 Always remembered in our hearts Thread Starter

    Apr 17, 2002
    My only thought is that pedophiles are among all segments of society and need to be eradicated! This with no bearing on the person's place in society. No one is above the law! Especially when it comes to protecting our precious children. Take care. angel

    Tuesday, January 14, 2003 Posted: 2:09 AM EST (0709 GMT)

    LONDON, England -- Pete Townshend, the legendary guitarist of The Who, was released on bail late on Monday after being detained earlier in the day on child pornography charges, police said.

    Townshend, 57, has not been charged but must report back to police, who are still investigating the case, by the end of the month, Scotland Yard said.

    Townshend was arrested at his home in London on suspicion of possessing indecent images of children, suspicion of making indecent images of children and suspicion of incitement to distribute indecent images of children, Scotland Yard said.

    In a statement last weekend, Townshend acknowledged visiting a Web site advertising child pornography. He said he was not a paedophile and had used the site only once, as research for an autobiography dealing with his own suspected childhood sexual abuse.

    He made the admission on Saturday after a newspaper reported that detectives were investigating an unidentified British rock star on charges of downloading child pornography.

    A police spokesman said two warrants were executed on Monday at separate addresses in southwest London. "One address is a business address, and the other is residential. A number of items, including computers, have been removed from the residential address for forensic examination."

    Rocker: 'I'm not a paedophile'.

    <b>British police have arrested 1,300 people, including a judge, magistrates, dentists, hospital consultants and a deputy school headmaster, as part of Operation Ore, a crackdown on people who view child pornography on the Internet. Fifty police officers also have been arrested, and eight of them have been charged with offenses.</b>

    Operation Ore is the British arm of an FBI-led investigation that traced 250,000 suspects around the world through credit card details used to pay for downloading child pornography. U.S. investigators passed the names of British suspects to police there.

    Townshend's friend, model Jerry Hall, said on Sunday that Townshend was an "avid supporter" of child-welfare charities and had spoken at length about the dangers of child pornography on the Internet.

    Townshend said he never downloaded the material and entered a site only once, as part of research for a book he plans to publish this year.

    In his statement, Townshend said: "I am not a paedophile. I have never entered chat rooms on the Internet to converse with children.

    "I have, to the contrary, been shocked, angry and vocal (especially on my Web site) about the explosion of advertised pedophilic images on the Internet." (Statement)

    Under British law, it is a criminal offense punishable by up to five years imprisonment for anyone to possess indecent photographs of children or people who appear to be children. (The law)

    Those accused have a defence, however, if they can show that they had a legitimate reason for having such pictures.

    Townshend helped found The Who in the 1960s, and wrote all the band's hits, including "My Generation," "Pinball Wizard" and "Won't Get Fooled Again."

    Townshend became legendary for his whirlwind moves and guitar-smashing rampages on stage. The band was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame in 1990.

    The last year has been filled with turmoil for the band. Bassist John Entwistle died of an apparent heart attack related to cocaine use in June in Las Vegas, Nevada.
  2. angelize56

    angelize56 Always remembered in our hearts Thread Starter

    Apr 17, 2002
    LONDON, England -- British rock star Pete Townshend has admitted having paid to enter an Internet site advertising child pornography.

    After giving an interview to members of the British press at his home in Richmond, south west London, on Saturday, The Who legend later issued the following statement to the media: (Full story)

    "I am not a paedophile. I have never entered chat rooms on the Internet to converse with children.

    "I have, to the contrary, been shocked, angry and vocal (especially on my website) about the explosion of advertised paedophilic images on the Internet."

    It went on: "I have been writing my childhood autobiography for the past seven years. I believe I was sexually abused between the age of five and six and a half when in the care of my maternal grandmother who was mentally ill at the time.

    "I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows -- particularly in 'Tommy''

    "Some of the things I have seen on the Internet have informed my book which I hope will be published later this year, and which will make clear to the public that if I have any compulsions in this area, they are to face what is happening to young children in the world today and to try to deal openly with my anger and vengeance towards the mentally ill people who find paedophilic pornography attractive.

    "I predicted many years ago that what has become the Internet would be used to subvert, pervert and destroy the lives of decent people. I have felt for a long time that it is part of my duty, knowing what I know, to act as a vigilante to help support organisations like the Internet Watch Foundation, the NSPCC (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children) and Scotland Yard to build up a powerful and well-informed voice to speak loudly about the millions of dollars being made by American banks and credit card companies for the pornography industry.

    "That industry deliberately blurs what is legal and what is illegal, and different countries have different laws and moral values about this.

    "I do not. I do not want child pornography to be available on the Internet anywhere at any time."

    It concluded: "On one occasion I used a credit card to enter a site advertising child porn. I did this purely to see what was there.

    "I spoke informally to a friend who was a lawyer and reported what I'd seen.

    "I have enclosed my website article about my friend Jenny who commit (sic) suicide because of sexual abuse she suffered as (a) child.

    "I hope you will be able to see that I am sincerely disturbed by the sexual abuse of children, and I am very active trying to help individuals who have suffered, and to prevent further abuse."
  3. joe2cool


    Feb 7, 2002
    I personally feel he as been extremely stupid & can not understand why this action would benefit his book ? More investigation is needed, of which his computers are now in police hands. :confused:


    By Chris Hughes

    JERRY Hall backed rock star Pete Townshend last night after he admitted paying to enter a child porn website, insisting: "He's no pervert."

    Revealing that close friend Townshend warned her about the dangers of internet filth, the 46-year-old model said: "Pete advised me on how to prevent my children from inadvertently gaining access to such sites."

    DEFENDER: Jerry Hall

    Mum of four Jerry spoke out as The Who guitarist said he was "deeply wounded" by suspicions he was a paedophile and declared he was prepared to have his computer's hard drive analysed by police.

    The star, who claimed he visited the porn website while researching his autobiography, said: "It is important they are able to convince themselves that if I did anything illegal I did it purely for research.

    "I am not a paedophile. With hindsight, what I did was foolish. But I was so angry at what was going on it blurred my judgment."

    Townshend, 57, admitted at the weekend that he used a credit card to enter a website advertising child porn "purely to see what was there".

    Yesterday Jerry sprang to his defence, saying: "Pete has always been brutally honest about himself and his shortcomings.

    "He's the least likely profile of a child abuser it's possible to construct. That's because he isn't one."

    Jerry - mother of Elizabeth, 18, James, 17, Georgia, 10, and Gabriel, four - said Townshend warned her about child porn at a dinner party at his home in October, 2001.

    She said: "We have discussed his belief that he was abused as a child. He also spoke about his pending autobiography and the difficulty he had in coming to terms with this aspect of his childhood."

    She added that the star, who she has known for 22 years, was an "avid supporter" of child welfare groups.

    Last night Who singer Roger Daltrey, 58, also insisted Townshend was innocent. Recalling that the rocker spoke of campaigning against internet child porn after stumbling across an advert two years ago, he said: "Pete was disgusted. The ad was made to look like a video game.

    "It made him angry that people were making money out of it. I believe his innocence will be proved.

    "Pete has, perhaps, been a little naive the way he's gone about it. But I believe his intentions are good."

    Father of three Townshend owned up after it was revealed that his name was among a list of 7,000 suspects handed to police by US authorities probing online paedophilia.

    Although it is claimed the rocker did NOT download any images, he may be interviewed by police.

    If charged, he could face up to five years' jail. At best, his career is dented and reputation sullied.

    Yesterday Townshend spent the day holed up at his £8million home in Richmond Hill, Surrey, where he was being urged by friends and advisers not to comment further.

    A neighbour said "Pete is desperately upset about all the attention this has attracted. But he believes he did the right thing in identifying himself.

    "I'm told he's been on the phone all day and said this is one of the worst things that has happened to him."

    A spokesman added: "Obviously, it's very difficult for him. He's dealing with it as best he can."

    Townshend's mother Betty, 79, vowed to stand by him. But she denied knowing anything about his claims that he was abused between the ages of five and six when in the care of his maternal grandmother.

    She said: "We are, and remain, a loving Christian family and will continue to stand by Pete. I'm unaware he suffered abuse. If what he says is true, he's carried it privately."

    Younger brother Paul, 47, said Townshend would clear his name. He said: "I'm not that bothered about any of this. I know what Pete was up to.

    "We have proof which will completely exonerate him. It will come out in the next couple of days."

    The star's estranged wife Karen - who earlier defended her husband - refused to speak as she arrived at her £2million home in Twickenham.

    Daughters Emma, 32, and Aminta, 31, also refused to comment. Townshend, also father of Joseph, 16, is now in a relationship with 28-year-old Rachel Fuller.

    The star's explanation for his conduct was condemned yesterday.

    Lawyer and internet expert Mark Stephens, who set up Internet Watch, said: "It's misguided and illegal to look at or download paedophile material.

    "Pete Townshend has admitted a criminal offence. It's a matter for a court to accept if he was merely doing research." Mr Stephens said of Townshend's claim that he was abused as a child: "It doesn't present him with an excuse for doing something illegal."

    The musician told fans last year online how he was determined to help stamp out internet child porn.

    Writing in his net diary, he said he was running a charity to help sex abusers control their urges. He said: "The charity does a lot of valuable work with victims and 'recovering' perpetrators of sexual abuse."

  4. angelize56

    angelize56 Always remembered in our hearts Thread Starter

    Apr 17, 2002
    I have to agree with you there Joe. It was a stupid thing to do..I only hope what he says is true. If he has more child porno on his pc he might as well kiss his reputation goodbye...and land in prison where he would belong. The truth will come out soon. Take care. angel
  5. angelize56

    angelize56 Always remembered in our hearts Thread Starter

    Apr 17, 2002
    I will give him the benefit of doubt until circumstances unfold. I won't judge him or anyone...but pedophliles are the lowest scum of society. angel
  6. joe2cool


    Feb 7, 2002
    Totally agree Marlene.......when it first came out all the papers quoted him saying he was f***** what ever happens !

  7. bassetman

    bassetman Moderator (deceased) - Gone but never forgotten

    Jun 7, 2001
    I think child porn is a terrible thing! However being accused of it is almost certain reputation ruination! Guilty or not!

    I will wait till the jury has heard the case!

  8. pyritechips

    pyritechips Gone but Never Forgotten

    Jun 2, 2002
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    If he was a mass murderer it wouldn't change how I feel about his music. If he is guilty I won't burn all my Who CD's.
  9. angelize56

    angelize56 Always remembered in our hearts Thread Starter

    Apr 17, 2002
    Jim: Where'd that come from! angel :)
  10. columbo


    Sep 10, 2001
    He'll get away with it....he's a celebrity. Whenever they get in sh*t they always have some brilliant excuse.

    PT: "Oh...well.....I was writing about how I was sexually abused as a child, so I thought I'd go look at a child pron site."

    Police: "Oh well, if THAT'S the case then.....have a good day!.......psst.....can I get an autograph Mr. Townshend, sir?

    Look at Michael Jackson! Forget the whole "dangling a baby from a balcony" thing.....He basically got caught molesting children, and what did he say?

    "Oh, I was just having them over for sleepovers and pillow-fights.....tee hee!"

    Remember Winona Ryder's shoplifting excuse? Hmm?

    "I was studying for an upcoming role in a movie."

    Basically.....as I said before......It doesn't matter whether or not Townshend downloaded kiddie porn. He won't get in any serious trouble :eek:
  11. eggplant43

    eggplant43 A True Heart and Soul - Gone But Never Forgotten

    Mar 10, 2001
    I detest child pornography and those involved in it. When I learned about Michael Jackson, I decided I would never again buy anything he was involved with. I always liked Michael Jackson, thought he was talented, but he was not a hero.

    Pete Townsend, and the Who have been favs since early on at the Isle of Wight(sp?). I don't think we have enough info yet. Clearly he did an incredibly stupid thing that goes beyond poor judgement. Whether it goes beyond that remains to be seen. I'm not ready to condemn him yet.

    Trial by media is what we currently have, I'm willing to wait and see.
  12. Wino


    Nov 30, 2001
    Don't condone child pornography or pedophiles - but would appear the USA's HSA/TIA have bagged their first "high profile terrorist" - great going - now if they could just nail Osama all will be good in the world - he worries me a little more than Pete and his sick behavior (if accusation is true).
  13. GreenIs


    Feb 17, 2001
    My question is : how much child porn did he have to "investigate" in order to gain sight that it's a perverted, evil thing? And why if he was, according to his lawyers, in touch with the police about it before "investigating", did he not ask for their insight rather then having to look at it himself?

    The only way I can see all of what he says being true is if he were a reputable psychologist trying to do an independent study and thesis on the matter to further help victims of this crime.
  14. valley


    Nov 16, 2002
    sorry..but its hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. Its not enough to know that there are adults out there who enjoy having sex with children....some as young as 6 months old.....without having to see it with your own eyes (for research purposes? :rolleyes: ) The very idea ought to be so repungant that one would vomit if even FORCED to look at it, let alone go in search of it.

    no...he just forces himself to go to a website to view images or read descriptions of adults abusing children because he wants to help people...forget the fact that his procurement of the material actually helps the people who are distributing it. The imagination ought to be more than enough to understand the horror of it.

    I'm well-aware of the issues but I say leave the "research" to the trained counselors who can write books to help those who have suffered this kind of abuse. The man is investigating his own "suspected" child abuse and is writing a book about what might or might not have happened to him? Sheesh Pete...how bout a little counseling to address your own issues before you run out to write a book on the subject?

    Now I have to wonder if he will have an epiphany about his childhood and it will come to light that he has indeed been sexually abused and great sympathy will be throw at him to try to understand the reasons for his "need" to investigate child porn, thus getting him out of the trouble he is in.

    I'm sorry if I offend anyone here....but child pronography is extremely offensive to me. If someone has been through it, then I would think their first priority is to get counseling, instead of trying to learn more about it. Its a sad state of affairs when these people are looked upon with sympathy instead of outrage at what they have done to their victims.

    If he is telling the truth.....then it should be very easy for him to be cleared of the charges. But how did the police become involved to begin with? I find it hard to swallow his claim that he had only been to a porn website one time. Theres more than the eye can see to this.....but money does tend to blur the lines of truth.

    I'll agree with angel and say I hope he's telling the truth...but my gut tells me that he has been caught and will rush to buy the best spin-doctors to create enough of a "benefit of a doubt" to get him off the hook.
  15. valley


    Nov 16, 2002
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