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pirated software

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Reviews' started by somak_de, Jan 23, 2003.

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how many of you ever used a pirated software ?

  1. never

    28 vote(s)
    21.7%
  2. sometimes

    55 vote(s)
    42.6%
  3. almost always

    46 vote(s)
    35.7%
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  1. suzi

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    I can admit to having shared some software with friends who purchased it and sharing some with them as well. I went to a crack site *once* and all the porn pop-ups and onslaught of junk scared me away. Then I realized I got "lopped" there too. That was my first and last time going to a crack site.

    I have never used Kazaa or any other file -sharing program. I'm just too chicken after what I've read and besides that I don't want anyone else nosing around in my computer to download stuff from me, like napster used to do. I decided if it's something I really want and need, I will pay for it. If I'm not willing to pay for it, then I don't get it.
     
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  3. somak_de

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    thank you all for keeping this thread alive.

    brendandonhu: can you post the name of the url for the softwares you are refering? i need to edit some wma file.

    suzi: like you i had also been to cracker site once. it was also filled with porn popups. dont know what is the relation between the two but they really scared me.
    but what amazed me is the amount of cracks and other hacking tools available there for free.
    they are claiming that there are better minds than mr. g's force!! that is what a fighting back
    i dont use cracks but support there cause to break free.

    ****** taking money for a creation is fine but too much of anything is not. take the example of this site. if you start taking fees for help then surely half of the members will opt out i
    think.

    ****** this forum has become a popular mediam for promoting p2p's like kaazalite and winmx and i found
    a large no. of member use them (me too) but dont they also support piracy as you are getting
    everything without paying nothing to the original creator

    keep posting
    :D :D
     
  4. brendandonhu

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    Nothing in particular, there are plenty of converters and AVI editors available, just search for them.

    I have *completely accidentally* ended up at crack/keygen sites many times. they all have lotsa popups except some serious sites that pertain more to real info & whitehat such as hackology.

    Very few times do those hack tools actually do anything too serious by themselves, its script kiddie stuff, virii, trojans, back doors etc. THe ones that do work can't do much because they are general, simple tools. For example, an HTTP Brute Forcer is in fact a web browser that can auto-fill forms, then it view page source, and compares it to a file containing an example successful and failed response.
     
  5. prospect

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    I'm gonna put in my 2 cents worth on this subject.
    I found out the hard way when my cd rom drive went bad, and I had to buy another, that I couldn't use my recovery cd's that came with the PC.
    Well this is an outrage! I already paid for the one (OS) that came with the machine. And for them to make the customer go out and buy another one at $200.00 is just pure and simple greed.
    I know it takes time to build these OS, but to stick it to the consumer is just wrong. Then they wonder why people steal.
    In my opinion, I think if a person buys an OS and wants to put it into another PC they own at home, this should be legal.
    I can take a part I have laying around for a chevy, and give it to my friend who also has a chevy, how come this isn't illegal?
    I know there is a diffrence, but until these people quit ripping off the consumer, I'm afraid this trend will continue. :(

    Prospect
     
  6. brendandonhu

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    Notice this difference: make a copy of your CD and give it to your friend. Now give them your car part. You both can have the CD, but now you lose your car part and can't drive anymore.

    Tip: Most companies will give you a Restore disk to replace the QuickRestore for about $10.00 that will work on a changed system. All you have to do is

    The Restore disks can't be used on different systems because of technical limitations, although manufacturers SHOULD give consumers the "real deal" windows CD.

    I think its fair that you can't use a windows disk on 2 computers at the same time. You only paid for 1 license, and no one forced you to use Windows anyway.
     
  7. boyoh53

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    Brendan, you are either a millionaire or a close friend of Mr.G.
    Any ordinary person with a family would suspect you are off your rocker. Yes,if the software was reasonably priced we could all, like you, buy individual license's per computer. :eek:
     
  8. Rhettman5.1

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    I have two Identical cars, but only 1 steering wheel...I paid for the steering wheel and I can drive whichever car I want..but I still can't drive both at once.

    Of course we are talking about using these steering wheels only for your own machines, I agree that passing copy's of windows to buddies is flat wrong...Rhett
     
  9. boyoh53

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    I want to be clear here. Are your "buddies" your family or pals outside your household?
    I would be against passing a copy willy-nilly around friends and neighbours. But, I mean, your own children having to go out and buy another copy of XP 'cause you have one.
    Lets get real here. :mad:
     
  10. Fyzbo

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    I believe that Microsoft simply has a distrust of people. They have freaked out so far that the rules are just too strict. Although this may stop piracy, they may also loose business. People who do by software will get upset with all of this garbage and switch(yes there are alternatives to windows). Not only do they loose the money for that operating system, but also any additional programs like Office. More and more people are switching to apple and are feeling great about it. I encorage people all the time to go with RedHat Linux and freeoffice.
     
  11. Fyzbo

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    If you guys want this activation thing discontinued than write a letter and have everyone you know write a letter to microsoft. Not an e-mail, that will just be ingored and deleted, but a real paper letter. I know you don't believe it, but if enough people speak out things will change.
     
  12. smuod

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    Interesting thread. Heres an article from spywareinfo.com about the subject : http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/warez/

    Most of what i have to say has been covered already but here i go anyway..

    Software.. it exists in the form of a downloaded .exe on your desktop or on a cd-rom. At some point all of us wonder "why should i have to buy two copies of XP.. it costs almost nothing to copy the OS once its created.. why is it so expensive?"

    Why is anything so expensive? Because people are willing to pay for it. Windows 98 is more than enough OS for the average user yet many people upgrade every year. I would imagine that the typical internet / home computer user would be fine with windows 95. The only people who NEED to upgrade every year are those with jobs that require the latest greatest or those who just WANT the best.

    If your job forces you to upgrade.. Its the price of doing business. Construction companies, retail stores or gas station owners.. all of them are forced to spend money for new tools every year to stay in business. Its the way the world works and computer professionals should not be treated differently.

    Of course you have construction companies that buy stolen tools or attempt to cheat employees or clients out of money every day. And just like software pirates.. they are criminals. They are taking something that doesnt belong to them without paying.

    If you just want the best.. expect to pay for it. People who want new cars every year expect to pay for them. People who want new operating systems [or any software] should expect the same.

    Kazaa.. kazaalite.. whats the difference? The difference is that kazaa is software created by someone and kazaalite is a cracked [stolen] version of it.

    Kazaa being a spyware pusher is wrong. I agree that them not being up front [explaining in plain english] about the spyware is wrong too. But.. they do explain it in the license agreement. Its our choice to skip over it. If we want to use kazaa we should have no problems with the spyware.

    Kazaa gets away with the spyware pushing because so many users want to "share" [steal] music and software. I would imagine they count on piracy. What other files would we share? Whens the last time you logged on to the kazaa network to look for original poetry written by students?

    Kazaalite users break into the kazaa network to share files. From my point of view.. Suggesting that someone download kazaalite is worse [or atleast equal to] than pointing them to a warez site. Its still a grey area and i assume thats why its still permitted on otherwise legitimate forums like this.

    Many will attempt to justify software piracy with a "too expensive" or "its not fair" mind set. This simply isnt the case. As others have pointed out in this thread.. free or less expensive software exists in every category.. Including operating systems. [linux?] And again.. if you NEED or WANT a specific program.. your making a choice to either buy it or steal it.

    The original poster said something like "why should i bother downloading on a slow connection when i can get a copy from my friend". It seems to me he/she has already made his/her mind up. If your boss asked you to work 80 hours for 40 hours pay.. would this seem fair to you? What if he explained how.. you are already at the office.. staying longer wont cost you as much as if you went home and came back so i shouldnt have to pay you the full amount?

    Whats the problem with activation? The problem in my opinion is that most people have have gotte used to buying one copy of an OS for several machines. Again.. shouldnt we pay for each product? Why do we think software is different from any other product?

    Sorry for bumping this thread.
     
  13. brendandonhu

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    Kazaalite isnt breaking into anything.
    It is an installer for Kazaa that ONLY installs Kazaa, not the spyware that comes with it.
    They do change a couple logos and button names but that is just about it (except the PL cheating, thats not allowed). They do not write a whole new client for FastTrack, or "break-in" to anything.
    Recent releases are getting closer to what I would call a crack though, with unlimited auto search and other features that may start using more bandwidth than regular Kazaa users are allowed.
     
  14. MadDogMugsy

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    In the virtual world, we all have to govern ourselves and try to remember to apply real-life morals - stealing is stealing - if you can't afford it ... ya just don't get it.
    Just because you can does not mean you should ...
    I can't afford a car - if I saw one sitting in the street, motor running, doors open and no one looking ... I still have no right to steal it, no matter how lax the protection.
    I could use two husbands sometimes - sure would come in handy ... but borrowing my neighbour's is just not a good thing.
    I am sure y'all could come up with much more clever analogies ... but the bottom line is the computer world is much more self-governing and you can't forget who you are!

    What frustrates me ... legacy software that is made unavailable ... like Windows98SE - if a user cannot upgrade due to system limitations, they are toasted for maintenance/recovery due to OEM loads- this type of thing I have pilfered without an ounce of guilt!

    MDM
     
  15. smuod

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    I cant argue about what kazaalite is or isnt but i assume altering the product is illegal. Whether its just removing something or completely rewriting it. Remove activation from XP and what do you get? A cracked copy.

    I completely whole heartedly agree with those who "hate" OEM distros of the OS. In the past my personal..moral justification for using a single retail copy of an OS to reload more than one OEM PC is that i have the licenses.. why should they care?

    With XP and activation this wont be possible anymore. Rather than complain about microsoft or the OEM's i have decided to never buy another OEM PC and build them from now on. When i buy the OS it will be once not twice and i wont have to deal with what HP fumbled while creating the recovery files.

    If everyone stopped buying dells and compaqs and hp's they might be forced to rethink the current policy and start giving people a real operating system a long with the $1000+ PC they just purchased.
     
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