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I have been using a wired home network home network for several years that I set up. It is mostly used by me and my thee boys.

There are fours PCs hard wired, that have the Cat5 cable going directly into my Linksys BEFSR41 EtherFast Cable/DSL router.

I have drilled a hole in my closet so that I can run cable to the lower level of my home, where I have three PCs connected via their NIC.

I have a Motorola SB5100 cable modem connected to the router which allow my Adelphia Cable Broadband Internet access to be shared by all. It has been rather amazing on how this has worked for as many years as it has.

We all have AMD powered CPUs that are using XP based PCs and are using XP networking.
I am considering altering the network to a wireless network. Please help me sort things out with your thoughts on the questions listed below. Thanks so much. :D


  • I have heard that a wired network is always going to go at the maximum speed, and that a wireless network might be slower, but definitely not faster. True ?
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    [*]I am thinking that wireless will also give me the freedom to potentially hook up to a DVD, Receiver or various types of multimedia devices that are now starting to allow connections to a Network. Therefore allowing access to all of the multimedia files that I have stored on our network PCs. |
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    [*]I am thinking about the expense and what is needed. I was wondering about the distance issue and if I would to have devices that would boost the signal, so that the hardware on my lower level can have good throughout?
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    [*]Is it possible to have the best of both worlds? Meaning part of my network hardwired to a router and part of it wireless ?
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    [*]I believe that there are more security issues with having a wireless network. Is there the possibility of having signals disturbed by cell phones, garage openers, wireless telephones and having my signals being intercepted by those outside of my home. Even opening the possibility of a neighbor getting into my wireless network and using my Internet Bandwidth ?
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    [*]Please help me about features of newer routers. Are there any significant new features that are found in some of the newer wireless routers that could give me additional firewall protection, allowance for some control of bandwidth Wired NICs are cheap and I believe that wireless NICs are about double or triple the price. I was thinking if this was a fairly expensive proposition ?
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    [*]Do people who are used to wired networks get disappointed with the performance of a wireless network and does a wireless network tend to be more inconsistent with performance when compared with a wired network ?
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    [*]I have heard that a wired network is always going to go at the maximum speed, and that a wireless network might be slower, but definitely not faster. True ?
I know that I wrote a lot and I am worry for that. I would appreciate any help on this issue. Thanks so much.

Sincerely,

Jon T :D
 
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I would replace the existing router with a 4 or more ported wireless router and go from there. Up until recently I have used wireless portion of my network for laptops only. However, in process of adding two more PC's in a room with no hard wire connections, so these will be wireless. Currently running (3) wireless laptops and (4) hard wired PC's (2-in one room, 2-in another. On ocassion, I will use wireless on a PC that I am setting up for someone else to use in their home wireless network + running Vonage VoIP on one phone line.

The wireless network always performs at less than the hard wired. I have two-line (5) 2.4Ghz phones (1-base and 4 remote) that have not interfered with the wireless. If you encrypt your wireless network (WEP/WAP), use MAC address permission and turn off SSID broadcast, you'll be stealth in your neighborhood and your neighbors will not know you are there. As to wireless multimedia components, can't opine one way or the other, as haven't done any, although plan to build a multimedia PC some time in the future. Wired and wireless network has performed well together. You should be able to get a ported wireless router for +/- $100 + the cost of wireless NIC's (I use 'no name' for less than $30 each). The only way you'll ever know if wireless will work well for you is to just do it.....there are so many variables to contend with......what works well for me (or anyone for that matter) may not for you due to differing environmental conditions.

That's my 2 cents worth..........good luck!!(y) (y)
 

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Wireless will be faster, more reliable, and more secure than wireless. I have both capabilities here, and everything but my laptop is wired, the wireless is only used for portability. If you have the option of wired without great expense running the wires, I'd pick wired every time.
 

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First off Wino, great signiture !!

  • I doing a lot of research, I found some routers which are Wireless G as well as have 4 direct ethernet ports. I would plan to plug in my PC as well as my Cable modem into those two wired ports.
  • I would them plan to have the lower level of my home using wireless. I can get rid of the wire and allow my boys to get access that way. I think they would enjoy the wireless aspct of this because of having some small LAN partiess, gaming with each other, using multimedia aspects of wireless. Also a big advantage is not having to have stationary PC.
  • I would be interested if anyone is using the Linksys or similar "X", "X2" or "X3" routers which us their "SRX" technology to increase speed and distance.
  • I am aware that the SX is not industry standard ...yet and I would have to get a Linksys "X" router as well as "X" adaptors to take advantage of these feature. If anyone is using this, please let me know.
  • I feel that there are definate advantage of having wireless connections, some I mentioned. Like connecting my Palm PDA to my network and Internet without being connect. Especially important is allowing other devices to be connected. From games, to DVD players, to other multimedia types of devices which I have wanted to do for a while.
  • I DEFINATELY understand about the speed, consistency, reliability initial cost and much lower maintance costs (that includes the time to care a wireless network). That is why I want to have both worlds.
  • I personally would be connected as I am now, wired, but my kids, they would not be. I will tell you that I am an IT person and believe that reliability is more important than features. I used to have a wireless mouse and keyboard, but got so fed up, I wen t back to a wired (USB), keyboard and mouse.
  • I am fortunate that my old son is 21 and lives in a condo with three others while attending Colorado State University. He went and networked his two bedroom condo using Linksys Wirless G connections. He really likes it because of the addition features it gives. He told me thatif I was wireless, even thoug hthe bandwidthwould decrease when web surfing, the bandwidth is still faster than my Cable Modem would be doing anyway. I know he can help me. But Iwould insist of having some direct ports as well.
Any recommendations or comments would be great appreciated !!

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I have wireless all over.

3 Laptops connected to a wireless router which is connected to a pc connected to High speed internet....


The speed is not an issue. My Linksys router is in the basement and I'm on the 3rd floor right now and the signal is still VERY GOOD. I have 54MBps connection to the network which makes the internet just as it would if I was connected directly to it:

Internet speed: T1 (1mb/s)
Network speed: ? (54mb/s) So 1 mb of that 54 is internet... doesn't make it slower

See the attachement photo.



Wireless is just as secure as wired because you're connected to the router which is also a firewall (ports can be opened/closed) plus you can have many, many personal firewalls/AV programs.

Wireless is just as or even more reliable than wired because wireless can't usually fail unless you're too far out of range (which would be for me out of the house and down 2 houses) or if your card isnt in or if the router is off. Wired could fail if the wire is unplugged, or if the wire is broken or if it's loose, etc.

I would totally reccommend Wireless. It's modern and it's better, in my opinion anyways;)
 

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I would go with wired over wireless any day.

As for what tohm said, wireless is NOT more secure than wired, especially if you do not secure your wireless network. It would be very easy for someone to connect to your wireless network, access your shares and drives via administrator account (an account which many people neglect to disable). Nearly all routers people buy now have built in firewalls so thats not really the issue.

Both wireless and wired network connections are much faster than your internet connection, but if you are like me and transfer many large files between computers, I can't stand wireless. 100mbps wired or even better, gigabit ethernet is the way to go.

I have seen many, many wireless networks. None are as reliable as plain old wired. And as I'm sure you know, wired is much cheaper than wireless.
 

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tohm,

Thank you so much for your help !! Great input that gives me hope that any wireless connections won't dirve me crazy.

tohm, I would like to ask you which Linksys router are you using ? Are you using G ? Which wireless adaptors are you using on your clients as well. It would help me a lot.

Have you ever had a network in which the PCs and modems were connected directly by good, insulated Cat 5 cable ?

Truthfully, If you ask Linksys or get to their web site, they will tell you that it is impossible for a wireless network to have faster performance than wired.

I have had my single Linksys BEFSR41 router for years, the NIC cards for ithe clients usually come standard with most Motherboard.
But if I have to buy a NIC card or wired network adapter, like the Linksys LNE100, it would cost me about $15.00. This device will run at 100mps with the potential to do 200mps full duplex.

The best a wireless G, the best industry standard currently can go at a max of 54mps. For that, there must be compatible routers and netword adapters on the clients. If a Wireless B adapter is used on a client, that clients limitation is only 11mps.

The good n ews is that broadband home Internet does not even reach 54mps, so Internet browsing should be fine.

But, the difference should be noticed on internal network acttivity. File access, transfers, multi-media shraring and transfer, database transactions.

As far as security goes. Wired is enclosed with signals running through the insulated cables. One does not have to agonize over running on different bands, etc.

With wireless, the signals are floating through the air as are celel phones, garage openers, wireless walkee-talkees, wireless telephones, multi-media device remotes, etc.

Here is what is posted on the Linksys web site about difference between wired and wireless at

Here is a quote from the Linksys web site on this page Click here to see Linksys Page

Why choose a wired network?
Wireless vs Wired -
Wired networks have been around for decades. Wired networking technology found today is known as Ethernet. The data cables, known as Ethernet network cables or wired (CAT5) cables, connect computers and other devices that make up the networks. Wired networks are best when you need to move large amounts of data at high speeds, such as professional-quality multimedia. The benefits of having a wired network include:

* Relatively low cost
* Offers the highest performance possible
* Faster speed - standard Ethernet cable up to 100Mbps.

 

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CarlssonMB said:
I would go with wired over wireless any day.

As for what tohm said, wireless is NOT more secure than wired, especially if you do not secure your wireless network. It would be very easy for someone to connect to your wireless network, access your shares and drives via administrator account (an account which many people neglect to disable). Nearly all routers people buy now have built in firewalls so thats not really the issue.

Both wireless and wired network connections are much faster than your internet connection, but if you are like me and transfer many large files between computers, I can't stand wireless. 100mbps wired or even better, gigabit ethernet is the way to go.

I have seen many, many wireless networks. None are as reliable as plain old wired. And as I'm sure you know, wired is much cheaper than wireless.
CarlssonMB,

I was in the process is posting my last post, when I saw yours. I think we are saying the same thing, except you write a lot better than I do.

I believe CarlssonMB, that you are speaking from the voice of home and commercial experience. As I am. I know wireless is always going to be much more of a struggle and it is very much a relatively new technology when compared to wired technology.That is where industry standards have been set for years.
I would never consider going with a ALL wireless network, but I want both. But, you better believe that MY PC and my Cable modem are going to be connected wired. I know my kids will have some fun with the wireless stuff and it will be nice to do some quick wireless transactions with my Palm PDA, some multi-media stuff and allow for friends of my three boys to do some network games, etc.

As I mentioned before, I am fortunate that my oldest son has set up a Wireless G network in his shared condo at Colorado State University.

Just like it is advised to have at least one telephone that is direct wired with RJ-11 cable to a wall socket, I will be using wired for my core activity. I do lots of home business stuff as well as LOTS of multi-media work. I do not have time to have my network go down or fuss with any inconsistencies.

As I mentioned before, I even returned my wireless keyboard and mouse and hooked back up my wired mouse and keyboard. When you are used to doing things one way, then the other way might have a few inconsistencies, like loosing signals on my keyboard or having some irregular "jumps" on the mouse, I had no patience for it.
 

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Mulder said:
So you need porn in every room? :D
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Hmmm Mulder, I never thought about that !!!!!!

What a great idea. I that way, I can share my porno easily with my three sons !!

Now Mulder, if you can just give me access to your private FTP site, then I can link to it the stock up on my inventory and share them.

I hope you have a copy of the hot video going around with me and Pamala Lee Anderson !! The site for the is www.takingthingsintomyownhands.com.

Jon :)


Among the mps , bits, bytes and bull, it is great to have some fun.
 
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I have heard that a wired network is always going to go at the maximum speed, and that a wireless network might be slower, but definitely not faster. True ?
Wireless will not be faster than wired any time soon (if ever) wired is full duplex and wireless is half on top of this wired speed still outshines anything wireless as of this date.

I am thinking that wireless will also give me the freedom to potentially hook up to a DVD, Receiver or various types of multimedia devices that are now starting to allow connections to a Network. Therefore allowing access to all of the multimedia files that I have stored on our network PCs. |
This can be a plus but also may be more time consuming than running a wire. Don't forget about interfeance from other wireless devices and potential signal degredation of wireless.

I am thinking about the expense and what is needed. I was wondering about the distance issue and if I would to have devices that would boost the signal, so that the hardware on my lower level can have good throughout?
Depending on your square footage and composition of your home you probably will have to have more than 1 wireless device.


Is it possible to have the best of both worlds? Meaning part of my network hardwired to a router and part of it wireless ?
Yes I have a fully wired house - 2 ports in every room wired back to a 48 port switch in the office that has a few extra ports for the computers I have in there. I have 2 WAP's connected and have full wireless coverage as well (for the wives laptop)

I believe that there are more security issues with having a wireless network. Is there the possibility of having signals disturbed by cell phones, garage openers, wireless telephones and having my signals being intercepted by those outside of my home. Even opening the possibility of a neighbor getting into my wireless network and using my Internet Bandwidth ?
Cell phones I don't think so It may depend on the type of cell phone but I think its on another band, garage door openers I don't think so (at least I have never heard of it happening I think the same band problem), Wireless phones definiitely, Other wireless networks definitely, Signals being intercepted anything wireless can be intercepted really, Others using your network only if you leave it unsecure.

Please help me about features of newer routers. Are there any significant new features that are found in some of the newer wireless routers that could give me additional firewall protection, allowance for some control of bandwidth Wired NICs are cheap and I believe that wireless NICs are about double or triple the price. I was thinking if this was a fairly expensive proposition ?
Nothing newer about wired and wireless routers combined usually its just a wired router with wireless features thrown in. No SOHO routers I know of do bandwidth control of any kind. Wireless can be expensive if you don't know where to shop.

Do people who are used to wired networks get disappointed with the performance of a wireless network and does a wireless network tend to be more inconsistent with performance when compared with a wired network ?
It depends on the person some notice it some don't. I transfer files alot and work remotely so I always notice when I am wireless and not wired.

I have heard that a wired network is always going to go at the maximum speed, and that a wireless network might be slower, but definitely not faster. True ?
Answered up above.
 

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StumpedTechy ,

Thank you, thank you for taking the time to go through ALL of my long list of questions. WOW. This entire thread is definitely a KEEPER. There are thoughtful answers and remarks by all (even the porn remark), that me and so many others have wondered about.
There is such an enormous marketing push that wireless, home networking companies, [home and small business consultants, etc have been putting on the public, that it is hard to sort out the hype from the truth.

What has scared me was reading hundreds of user comments on the difficulties they have had with their wireless networks, having to work on configurations for months and month, etc. Some of the daily events that I have read (and would expect to occur) with wireless networks that people endure would be more than I can endure.

I have read that finally, it looks like there will be an agreement between the Corporate idiots that fight for control of protocols for personal profit and has the results of putting off technological advancement, higher prices and lack of standards. But, that it would at least a year for this agreement on the next leval of wireless networking that supposedly will take internal networking speeds to almost wired level.
Does anyone use Linksys's, or any other vendors stab at the new protocols, like Linksys's SRX ?
For Linksys customer's this means that getting a Linksys router with SRX would do nothing unless the Network adaptors are from Linksys and support SRX as well. They are compatible ONLY to Linksys.
The SRX routers are their WRT54GX (SRX) or WRT54GX2(SRX200) or WRT54GX4 (SRX400) routers? Any experience with this anyone ?


There are a couple of interesting issues with using SRX.
  • To allow for the higher speeds and extended distance from the G standard, one would have to purchase specifically a
  • WMP54GX wireless PCI adaptor for a desktop or
  • The Linksys PCMCIA WPC54GX wireless adaptor for Notebooks
  • The proprietary nature of getting only Linksys wireless adapters, if I wanted to take advantage of their SRX routers really bothers me.
  • There also is the possibility that the new standards adapted might not be Linksys's SRX standard, which will make Linsys's SRX standard for Linksys only. This might create a situation of having to replace all of my Linksys routers and network adapters, or stay with Linksys's potentially obsolete and non-industry standard SRX standard.
  • What also gets me about the Linksys's SRX extended G protocol is that Linksys doesn't even have a USB wireless adaptor for it. One of things I wanted for the parts of a network that would be wireless is the ability to have a Adapter card that I can just plug into additional hardware, PDA's , etc if I want to use it. I do NOT want to rely on needing internal adaptors for everything.
  • The claims from vendors like D-Link and Netgear on their versions of a new extended G capability are even more outrageous than Linksys. Some said thriteen times faster and greater distance than G. Etc.


Thanks,

Jon
 

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Mulder said:
So you need porn in every room? :D
You truly do have a one track mind. What kind of law do you practice? It has to be keeping call girls out of jail, or something similar. :rolleyes: :p
 
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