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Discussion in 'Site Help, Feedback, & Announcements' started by DoubleHelix, Jul 2, 2007.

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  1. DoubleHelix

    DoubleHelix Banned Thread Starter

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    I think the TSG rules regarding P2P activity need to be clarified. There's nothing mentioned about torrents or emulators. Some people who actually read the rules might not think of those types of programs as being illegal or being in the same league as P2P applications. Torrents clients, specifically, are reviewed and discussed in commercial computer publications and on reputable technology review sites. I wouldn't have known that TSG prohibits their discussion had I not seen threads closed on the topic.

    I also see way too many harsh responses by members to posts asking for advice on things that aren't allowed here. There's no reason to be rude or condescending when pointing out an infraction. A simple explanation and a link to clear rules would suffice. It almost seems some people can't wait to jump on people who probably skipped the rules. Obviously new members should read them, but do they? When was the last time anyone read a complete EULA?

    It's gotten to the point that I wince when I read a question by a newbie asking for help with P2P or torrent programs. I just know they're going to get slammed. The long-timers could be a bit more objective on the subject.
     
  2. JohnWill

    JohnWill Retired Moderator

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    Well, torrents ARE P2P, so that seems pretty clear. Regardless of the limited legal uses for them, the rules are clear on our policy about them.
     
  3. ~Candy~

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    I'd like to see a list of threads that have been closed where someone was actually looking to use torrents legally ;)

    Pretty much, in my opinion, when someone posts a question about having a problem with a torrent, or P2P program, THEY KNOW full well that they are trying to download something for free that isn't available for free anywhere else ;)

    Just my humble two centavos ;)

    I closed one a few days ago, and stated that the poster could email me and plead his case.

    Tried to let him off the hook graciously. So, what does he do, he sends me a REAL NASTY profanity laced email ADVISING me that what he's trying to do is legal :rolleyes:

    At the top of a jpg file he posted to describe his problem, it read "FRIDAY13thPart1" :rolleyes:

    Yep, give them enough rope and they'll use it all everytime ;)


    Edited for typo only.
     
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  5. DoubleHelix

    DoubleHelix Banned Thread Starter

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    I don't believe it's clear. That was one of my points. I think they should be mentioned specifically in the list of P2P examples. What does it hurt to add one word?

    EDIT: I just read brendandonhu's post. Thanks for mentioning that. It would explain why they wouldn't be specifically mentioned in the list in the rules. It might make sense then to leave it out.
     
  6. JohnWill

    JohnWill Retired Moderator

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    Well, I'm going to suggest that we simply remove that exception from the rules, just so we don't confuse the 99.9% that are using P2P for illegal downloads. :rolleyes: Good grief, don't we have something more constructive to do with our time? :confused:
     
  7. Cookiegal

    Cookiegal Administrator Malware Specialist Coordinator

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    Brendan's quote:
    This was originally posted by Mike in March 2005, over two years ago. Since then, he has given instructions to the moderators that there are no exceptions and the rules do not state that there are exceptions.

    I do agree however that the word "emulator" should be added to avoid confusion in the future and this is being discussed among the moderators and admin.
     
  8. DoubleHelix

    DoubleHelix Banned Thread Starter

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    The more important point to my post was the tone of responses to people who post stuff they shouldn't. The wording of the rules isn't what bothers me the most, and I do think that's constructive to note.

    Since this forum has rules about basic conduct, perhaps a few warnings to frequent offenders about their tone would help. I feel bad for people who get a sharp slap upside the head when a simple note and link would more than suffice.
     
  9. Blackmirror

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    Have you got an example of this

    I do post a sorry its against the rules and a link
    but i hope i am never rude
     
  10. DoubleHelix

    DoubleHelix Banned Thread Starter

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    I did find some examples, but I'm going to request this thread be closed. I brought something up I thought was important, and it's ironic that in a thread that talks about being a bit sharp-tongued, JohnWill decides to post the way he did.

    I come here to help people, learn, and just have a good time. I don't enjoy being on the receiving end of harsh comments any more than newbies.
     
  11. ~Candy~

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    I agree with Karen, that we should add something about emulators. I can't say that I know much about them.

    I also agree with the 99.9% of the people saying they use P2P legally.

    As for slapping people around, they KNOW what they are doing is illegal......Maybe they'd like it better if they just got one of those letters in the mail demading $500 to settle the lawsuit against them before it's even been filed ;)


    Another thing that we are debating over is whether a thread starter has the right to request his/her thread be closed. Threads become a part of the community when others are involved and simply because the original poster isn't happy with other issues, or other poster's responses, that shouldn't be the deciding factor in closing it ;)
     
  12. Blackmirror

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    The same could be said for naughty members who post knowing they have an illegal copy of windows

    mention the windows validation and post a link and 9/10 they are gone like the wind

    Good Evening Acacandy
     
  13. ~Candy~

    ~Candy~ Retired Administrator

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    Good morning :p

    I agree about the illegal copies of Windows as well. That irritates me when you've helped a person for days trying to figure out their problem, ask them to get updates, and they come back and tell you that their copy isn't "exactly" legal :rolleyes:

    That just makes me wanna smack the living crap out of them for wasting my time :mad:
     
  14. Yankee Rose

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    I agree with you, DH. There are several members that come to mind who could use a lesson in politeness when it comes to replying. Being around as long as I have and lurking as much as I do I see it too often. I suppose some folks assume because they are "Distinguished" or in a higher position, it gives them the right to blast away or be a little too blunt. :(

    I'm "polite" enough to not name names! ;)
     
  15. Blackmirror

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    Hello Yankee Rose .. nice to see you


    Never any need to be rude lol but sometimes it happens
     
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