Solved: ATI Radeon HD3870 512MB GDDR4 or nVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512MB

Status
This thread has been Locked and is not open to further replies. Please start a New Thread if you're having a similar issue. View our Welcome Guide to learn how to use this site.

bigstev

Thread Starter
Joined
Sep 17, 2007
Messages
27
Hey,

i am thinking of buying a dell xps 420. There is a choice of graphics cards and i cant decide between two of them, the ATI Radeon HD3870 512MB GDDR4 or nVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512MB. I have really no idea which of these cards is actually better for playing games like cod4 and C&C. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks Steve

Oh just in case you need to know this is everything i want to get with it
- Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
- Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium w/ Digital Cable Support SP1
- 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
- 1TB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 500GB SATA 3Gb/s 7200 RPM HDDs)
- Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
 
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
5,855
The 9800GT is the better of the two.... lame choices, because $50~60 more would get a ATI 4850 card and that'll smoke any 9800 card (besides the GX2).

Dump the 1TB RAID 0 condfig and just settle for a single 500GB HD. The real world performance difference is not really noticable... maybe a second here and there. But the headache when theres a problem is not worth it. A small error on one of the drives will destory all your data. Re-doing partitions, etc takes forever.

I think that dell comes with a 450~550watt PSU, right?

If you're looking to do gaming... and want to try to build something, you may save money that way... especially if you think you may ever need to replace the PSU.
If you want 1TB of HD space, buy a single TB drive... dell charge $150 extra for a drice that costs about $180 retail. Going with a single drive, knocks $100 off the price.

What is the quoted price of the Dell quad?

Okay - checking it out... it comes with either a 375~425watt PSU. So if you decide you want to drop in an ATI 4870 card or future Geforce, you'll spend $100+ for a 650watt to replace the weak PSU. Also, that Dell type is still using BTX motherboards - so the system is non-user servicable. (Like when I went from an AMD dual to an Intel-Quad - I just swapped out the CPU/mobo/RAM parts out of my main case.

Looking at the Price/build... Dell's $800 PC comes with 3GB RAM and 320GB HD. I've shaved off the price a bit with a single 500GB HD (which is enough for most people). But that config comes with very low-end ATI 2400... They charge $150 extra for the 3870 card (which is a $100~120) and $300 extra for the 9800GT (which is a $180~210 card). Note: The $160~190 ATI 4850 card is much faster... for $300 you can get the 4870 which is far better.... okay moving along (I'm typing as I look on Dell's site)

Finished out build with Mediareader = $1350 (1TB RAID 0) or $1250 (500GB HD) and 4 GB of 800Mhz memory (4 sticks of RAM = replace ALL of them if you want 8GB) - Rather than 2 sticks of 2GB DIMMS at 1066Mhz. Also, the Vista setup is 32bit... which is good and bad. bad = you don't have full access to all 4GB, and going to 8GB would mean having to BUY 64bit Vista... Good, 32bit is a bit more compatible... but even at Best buy, $600 PCs come with 64bit Vista.

Now... lets say you BUILT this computer yourself.... Quick parts:

$190 - Q6600 CPU (I have one) These prices are www.newegg.com
$ 85 - Gigabyte P35 motherboard (NON RAID version). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128337
$115 - 4GB RAM 1066Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231184
$ 75 - 500GB HD = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cription=500GB hard drive&bop=And&Order=PRICE
$ 60 - DVD Burners (x2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129032
$110 - 650watt high end PSU = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 ($20 rebate = $90)

$100 = Vista 64bit

Total BASE build = $735.00

Now for your OPTIONS:

$10~20 = Card Reader bay (3.5) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&SpeTabStoreType=&Order=BESTMATCH&srchInDesc=
$100~250 = high end computer case http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010090007 4017&bop=And&Order=RATING
$210 = ATI 4850 card with Excellent cooling = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161244
$280 = ATI 4870 card = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113 ($255 after rebate)

I'd go with an Antec 900 personally... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
but this one has style for $130: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025
Want to scare your friends: $250 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...A=0&Description=thermaltake+Mozart+tx&x=0&y=0

So... let's say you went with: Antec P182, Card reader and ATI 4850 card.
Your total will be: $1085 (Before $30 rebates) That's about $300 savings... and you can have the parts in 3-5 days and build the PC in a day... rather than waiting 2-4 weeks... from Dell. ;)

Go with the even faster 4870 card... $1155 (before $55 in rebates)... $250 cheaper than the Dell... Go with the giant Thermaltake (A nice case to work with btw), will add $100 or so to you costs.

Add $100 to overall costs with a single 1TB hard drive (Western Digital, Samsung or Seagate)

PS: I don't like cases with doors in front of drives... this one is $80 and is quite nice... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129018
 

bigstev

Thread Starter
Joined
Sep 17, 2007
Messages
27
Ok thank you all very much especially compiler. I will definitely think about building the computer for my self now
 
Joined
Oct 20, 2008
Messages
1
Hi,
I am considering to either build or buy a gaming PC. I have been looking at the dell XPS 420 or the XPS 630. I am also looking to playing games like Crysis & C&C Red Alert 3 on it. Eventually, I would like to add a nice Soundblaster card & Blu-Ray player to make it into a reasonable home theater system.

I would like to piecemeal these additions because I don’t want to spend all the money at once.

I really don’t know much about the internal workings of PC – but recently I opened but my laptop to clean out the cooling fan (was a real pain).

This thread has encouraged me to look at making my own PC but I am apprehensive about the tools and knowledge you need to undertake such a project. Even if you get the right parts as were suggested above - what knowledge does one need? – does one need to know how to solder onto a circuit broad? Does one need schematics etc? Where I can I get this kind of information? Are these step by step instructions? – I apologize for the barrage of questions

I know that computer these days have a modular design and some parts are plug and play, but I am sure its cant be that easy?

Any thoughts? Thank you very much
 
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
5,855
You need a philips screwdriver (prefered one with a magnetic head)... That's it.

Try not to build it ontop of carpet. Or buy an anti-static strap. Don't drop anything, avoid touching the electonic parts of the parts. Read the manual.

There are some POSTS at the top that are stuck to explain about PC building.
 

bigstev

Thread Starter
Joined
Sep 17, 2007
Messages
27
yep just getting the rest of the money before i start to build, thanks alot though
 
Status
This thread has been Locked and is not open to further replies. Please start a New Thread if you're having a similar issue. View our Welcome Guide to learn how to use this site.

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

As Seen On
As Seen On...

Welcome to Tech Support Guy!

Are you looking for the solution to your computer problem? Join our site today to ask your question. This site is completely free -- paid for by advertisers and donations.

If you're not already familiar with forums, watch our Welcome Guide to get started.

Join over 807,865 other people just like you!

Latest posts

Staff online

Top