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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by RobertE92, Sep 4, 2011.

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  1. RobertE92

    RobertE92 Thread Starter

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    Hey everyone, bit of a stupid question here but anyway. My graphics card is a NVIDIA 7600gt, here are its specs,
    Core clock: 400MHz
    Memory clock: 400MHz (800 MHz data rate)
    Memory interface: 128-bit
    Total available graphics: 752 MB
    Dedicated video memory: 512 MB DDR2
    System video memory: 0 MB
    Shared system video: 240 MB
    Bus: AGP 8x

    I was wondering what would be the best hardware I could use along with card to get all of its power? I'm not saying this because I'm a cheap-skate who doesn't want to buy a new PCI express card, its just this card is plenty good enough for my needs, the most I ever want it to do is run Dawn of War at medium to high settings. So what would be the best motherboard, chipset, power supply unit ect... to run this card be, I know its a POS AGP card but as I said its all I want, I'm not a hardcore gamer just a regular guy who likes to play the odd computer game at reasonable quailty.
    Any help on this would be greatly appreciated and please no answers like "just get a new computer agp is 50 years outdated", I'm well aware of this fact but unlike a lot of people who use this site I'm not a hardcore gamer looking for max performance and picture quality. If you need me to provide any other specs please ask.

    Thanks, Robert.
     
  2. johnkon32

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    Hello Robert,
    Could you please post your full computer's specifications? Not just your VGA's ones. Then I think I'll be able to make you a few suggestions on how to improve your computer's performance.
     
  3. Frank4d

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    If the plan is to replace your Asrock P4VT8+ and CPU while keeping the AGP card, your options are limited because motherboards with AGP slots aren't made anymore. Your best bet would be to find a new socket 939 motherboard with an AGP slot and Athlon 64 X2 CPU on eBay.
     
  4. RobertE92

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    @johnkon32 If you look at my profile I think I have listed my computers specs, thanks Frank4d I'll look up that motherboard, I'm assuming that motherboard is 64bit?, just guessing I could be wrong.
     
  5. RobertE92

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    Sorry to double post but, @Frank4d just had a look on eBay and there as so many different types of socket 939 boards its really confusing me, if you get a chance would you mind looking through them and picking out what you think is the best one, I have a 250gb hard drive connected with a sata cable so I need a motherboard with sata connections and if possible one that also uses DDR ram.
     
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    Thanks a million Frank4d for taking the time to help me out, really appreciate it. So you think this is the the most modern motherboard I could use while still using an AGP card?
     
  8. Compiler

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    Hmm... guess I really should work on selling old PC parts, rather than giving them away.

    RobertE92: What is your budget and what is your goal in the CPU department?
    While that ASUS mobo you are looking at $55 will work... you also have to go on an adventure to locate a CPU to fit it. As we see on the eBay, you are looking at spending $155 for 2006 technology... for a video card that could die, tomorrow (doubt that, of course). And while an AMD X2 4200 will run circles around that P4 of yours... you're looking at paying $100 for an OLD CPU, when $100 buys you a modern quad core. So I'm going to show how to go about this.

    I used to have a 7600GT (PCIe) and I have a frame of reference about its performance. I replaced it with the ATI 4670 which I use today. In general, the 4760 is about 5x the performance of a 7600GT. Todays semi-out-dated ATI 5570 is a bit slower than my 4670, but easily faster than any 7600GT or 7900GT video card (by a 3x).

    Here is a usable modern chart. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Aliens-vs.-Predator-Gamer,2667.html (go to the bottom where the 5570 is at 18fps... the 7600GT would be 4fps)

    So.... why spend $150 on OLD parts, when todays $30~40 video cards are easily faster and you still have something of an upgrade path to work with. You are already open to buying CPU, motherboard, memory and a power supply. Be open to a new HD as todays motherboards no longer have PATA connectors.

    Even somewhat better, the latest AMD A-series CPU has built-in graphics that is still 2-3x more powerful than the 7600 full graphics card. Look here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/5 Refer to the 2nd chart (Crysis 1280x1024 performance) You see the 5570 at 93fps. The Radeon 6650D at 75fps is the built-in GPU on a CPU setup. If your 7600GT was on this chart, it would be about 25fps.

    So lets build a low-cost, but not junky computer. (Sans case, mobo, mouse, OS).
    Buy a 400watt PSU like this one (newer boards need new PSUs, unless yours already has a 24 pin power connector) Its $30 after rebate and the cheapest thing I would buy = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023 - its generally quiet and reliable. It would be required for any options below.


    Option A:
    $88 = AMD X2 555 (x2 core @ 3.2Ghz) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846
    $45 = BioStar 880G board (This is combo with above CPU) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138283
    $45 = 4GB GSkill RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311
    ===================== Base Price
    $178 (The boards built-in video is slower than the 7600GT)

    $50 = 5570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102874
    $60 = 4670 (Its older, but faster and quieter) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161315

    Total = $228~238.

    Option B:
    $140 = A8-3850 X4 Core @ 2.9Ghz (CPU+GPU) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103942
    $ 90 = A75 mobo with USB 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138330
    $ 44 = 8GB of RAM (or $24 for 1 stick) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231310
    ==================================
    $274 Subtotal.

    And you can use the built-in Graphics to play older games just fine, even some modern ones.
    You get USB3, and access to newer CPUs.


    (Heres a whole $472 deal with CPU, drives, Windows7, RAM, mobo = http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.722621 )

    This is all a lot better than spending $200 on 5 year old tech (once you include the memory). When the AGP board or video card dies... since nothing is under warranty anymore, you'd have to replace everything all over again... with PCIe.
     
  9. RobertE92

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    @Compiler, wow thats a lot of info! Thanks a million for doing all that research, I think I would go with option B as its quad core which I assume is faster all round. The reason I wanted to upgrade was just because it would be kind of a project for me and help me learn a lot more about computers and as it was an AGP card I would be working with older technology and it wouldn't be as hard as building my first computer using modern technology which really confuses me, again thanks so much for helping me out, when I do start building this PC would it be ok if I contacted you for help along the way?
     
  10. Compiler

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    PCIe or AGP.... you plug in the video card, its no different. No more difficult. And you can sell your 7600GT on ebay for $50~60 for those who still have AGP systems.

    With option B, you're not using any "video card", unless you want to upgrade. If you go with a small board, you can fit all of that into a tiny case. A current intel i3 CPU dual core is easily faster (in single threads) than the AMD quad for the same price... but you'll pay a bit more for an Intel motherboard and the graphics on intel are pretty much useless for gaming - both in performance and stability (some games won't work).

    If you want to save $5, there is the NON + version of that board (2 less USB ports, 3 less audio ports) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138333

    Now... in another week or so, the FX series of CPUs are coming to market. There are some questions and issues.
    A) FX CPUs will smoke A-Series CPUs
    B) FX CPUs work in AM3+ motherboards, NOT FM1 as used by A-Series (Option 2)
    C) 2nd GEN FX CPUs will require FM2 type boards - due late 2012. ie: Some will have built in GPUs.

    So... with this new info, which I'm researching now (because I have 2-3 builds coming up), means there are decisions to be made. It means FM1 is like an old AMD-754 chipset board, its a bridge for new technology and will die rather quickly. Future A and FX CPUs will NOT work on FM1 boards (option 2).

    Options 1 or 2 will give you many years of usage... if you're not a gamer or looking at major upgrades any time soon... they will be fine. Both of them won't support future FX CPU (starting in a few weeks). Option 1 has better graphics, but no USB 3.0. Option 2 cost more, but has native USB 3.0 built in.

    Please note: When looking for memory, go with DDR3-1600mhz.

    That means theres an OPTION 3:
    $88 - Gigabyte 970 board (Cheapest, AM3+, lots of slots) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521
    $40 - G.Skill 1600mhz DDR3 (4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443
    $88 - AMD X2 555 (x2 core @ 3.2Ghz) {Optional X2-260 @3.2Ghz is $65 - is a bit slower) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846

    ====================== Subtotal
    $216 ($38 more than Option 1 / $2 more than Option 2 if you add a $60 4670 card)
    (I'd go for that 4670 above because its quieter and faster than the 5570)
    ($201 / $261 with the 10% slower X2 260 CPU)

    PS: Currently there is a $10 rebate on the Option 3 board... who knows how long... that would reduce the overall price by another $10.

    This will give you option for a future FX 4, 6 or 8 core CPU through to 2014. ($200~300 CPU at intro pricing. Expect price reduction after 6 months)

    If your primary usage is Internet and office work... any of these 3 options is more than enough for the next 3-5 years.
     
  11. RobertE92

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    Thanks so much Compiler, you really know what your on about, to be honest I doubt I'll go with option 3 as I have no real need for the new FX series of chipsets, I play a lot of video games on my PC, but not any with amazing graphics that would require me to keep up with modern chipsets by entering the FX category. If I was to choose the $427 deal you suggested in your first post, would the built-in graphics be better than my current 7600gt and play most games with fairly high graphics settings? And would this be the best choice for me as I'm not concerned with keeping up with the new FX range of CPU's coming out? Sorry to keep bothering you with all my questions!
    Thanks Robert
     
  12. Compiler

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    Yes, the built-in graphics of the A8-3850 (also in the combo) should easily exceed the 7600GT.
     
  13. RobertE92

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    Thats settled so I think I'll go with the combo deal, one last question what sort of monitor should I buy, will this computers display output have HD or just normal video?
     
  14. Compiler

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    Motherboard has DVI, HDMI and VGA output... HD is rather low res, its a non issue.

    Get whatever monitor you like... Theres nothing on the market under $1000 that thrills me. They only make up to HD 1080 monitors nowadays. So I'd say go for at least a 23", whatever you can afford.

    I generally like Samsung... but look at the reviews.
     
  15. RobertE92

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    No problem, think I'll just stick with my current monitor for a while.
    Thanks a million for all your help Compiler, or as us Irish say Go raibh míle maith agat!
    Slan go foill, Robert.
     
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