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Discussion in 'Do It Yourself (Not Computer-Related)' started by Kelly_English, Feb 23, 2013.

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  1. Kelly_English

    Kelly_English Thread Starter

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    Hello and thank you for any help I may receive!

    Am about to install a ceiling fan and am confused about what wires to use. I have some experience having done some wiring but it was a long time ago and there are some extra wires I'm concerned about

    First there is a switch that I want to turn on the ceiling fan lights

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    Here are some shots of the plastic round outlet that will be removed and the brace that will go in it's place but as stated before am confused which wires to use. I know that I ground the box and connect the white (neutral) and black and blue with the black (hot) wire but there are several?

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    Thank you
     
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    Hello Kelly! Welcome to the forum! :)

    Let me state you're one of the first posters I've seen provide quality pictures. Kudos to you! (y)

    That existing wiring job looks A little concerning to me. It looks like the neutral (typically the white wire) has been spliced a few times. Also, the "white" wire looks brown; which may mean it got too hot.

    How old is the house? Is this 120vac wiring?

    Is there any way you could post a pic of the wires coming right out of the box? Maybe unscrew the bracket?

    The wiring to the fan is usually pretty easy; I'm just a little concerned about the wires in the box.
     
  3. Kelly_English

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    Thank you for your post. Was in the middle of posting the pic you required and here's that post and yea I've got a 14mp camera...lol

    Here's another pic to show what I'm confused about. Appears the standard hot wire is tied into the old cloth covered black wire?

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    Otherwise I'm just going to use the standard just curiuos what is connected to the light switch?

    Thanks
     
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    Ripped out the box and took some snapshots and see a romex or whateva it's called and the two old wires

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    Thanks
     
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    Ok.. Judging by the wiring im guessing this is a 30 year + house.

    Is the wiring aluminum?

    Do you have a multimeter and are you comfortable measuring which cable (two wires) comes from the switch to feed the power to the box? I would guess the two outside cables are original and one of them provide power; but I don't know for sure.

    I'm guessing the other two cables pick up power from the supply cable (two wires).
     
  6. Kelly_English

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    Yes it is old Victorian type house in Oakland.

    The romex seems to be copper wiring

    The old wiring looks copper too

    The wires in the switch are romex

    I was wondering why the hot old wire was tied into the new hot romex?

    Otherwise the old neutral was not tied into the romex neutral the way I found it!?

    Maybe the switch is not tied into the power?

    I need a meter but don't have one. Going to borrow one somewhere?

    Thanks and I'll post later for more help

    Kel
     
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    There should only be one pair of wires in the box (a black and a white) that provide power from the switch.

    Your mission, should you choose to accept it,:D, is to find which one.

    A meter would be good here. If you cannot borrow one, you can purchase and inexpensive voltage checker at your local hardware/ Do it Yourself store.
     
  8. Kelly_English

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    That is usually the case when I install a fixture or fan but just wanted to be certain as to not damage anything or myself

    I am still waiting for my friend to bring the meter

    Thank you so much for your time and assitance

    I will post my results and whether I've had success

    ;)
     
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    Ok got meter and the outside old wires are hot. The romex is not hot even with switch on!

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    Not sure how both outside could be hot as one of them has to be neutral correct?

    Any suggestions before I bring someone in to help me?

    Thanks again
     
  10. Kelly_English

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    Anyone in an old house with a (cold) switch and old wires here's the schematic...

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    Thanks Tech Support Guys
     
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    How ironic!
    My dad ( also a master electrician) guessed your drawing by your pictures? :) of course, he is really Old School!:p

    Be sure you put a good bracket/ box up that can handle the weight.

    Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.

    Thanks for posting at TSG.
     
  12. Kelly_English

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    Then your Dad and the guy at OSH hardware are awesome :eek:...lol

    Totally put a ceiling brace and box kit shown in earlier posts

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    Thanks again everyone ;)
     
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