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Solved: Make Win 7, 8 and Maybe Linux Bootable

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by doggyofone, Nov 10, 2013.

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  1. doggyofone

    doggyofone Thread Starter

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    Having no fun with the Win 8.1 - call it downgrade. Had problems from the start. I've had Win 7 for some time. I bought Win 8 and an SSD and did an upgrade from 7-8 on the SSD with no problems using Paragon Migrate OS to SSD - worked very well. This left me with Win 7 on a 320 gig hard drive and Win 8 on an SSD. I didn't touch Win 7 after that until the Win 8.1 downgrade which left me with an unstable Win 8 OS. When trying to boot into 8.1 I was getting very slow response, odd startup of some programs, lockups, etc. I tried to run safe mode (recovery) in Win 8 to see what I could do to fix, but it was very hard to get into and not much use when I finally did. The last time I tried to get into safe mode in 8.1 the computer booted up into safe mode for Windows 7. Since then restarts are in Win 7, not 8. The boot into 7 rearranged the drive letters and the Win 8 SSD became an NTFS (Healthy active, primary partition), no boot, page file, etc. C: = Win 7, E: = Win 8. Since then I have not tried to start Win 8 - not sure how. (See attachment).

    To make a long story short, having Win 7 available has been really helpful. I would like to keep it available and updated while also having Win 8 as an option.

    Is there a decent start-up software for choosing which system to boot up?
    Is there a way for me to repair Win 8 (disk E) so that it is bootable?
    The third question is whether or not I can boot up a Linux OS (Cinnamon) onto a partition on a disk and play around with it - with the same boot up software?

    Perhaps a related problem was that an external storage drive had some how become unusable during the upgrade - since repaired with chkdsk /f (Gparted error log attached). I don't know if this was the primary reason that Win 8 was running so poorly. Before it was repaired it showed as a Raw disk J: and E: Win 8 disk was not shown in Computer or Disk Management. When J: was shut down E: became visible again. All disk show now that J: was fixed with chkdsk.

    Would really appreciate some help with this.
    Thanks
     

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  2. Macboatmaster

    Macboatmaster Trusted Advisor Spam Fighter

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    On Windows 7
    going control panel
    system
    advanced system settings on left pane
    then settings button on startup and recovery
    what O/S are shown on the drop arrow please


    I am not meaning to use them now, but what images and backups and recovery discs/drives do you have please
     
  3. doggyofone

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    Thanks for your response.
    Just Windows 7 shows under OS System Startup.

    All drives including the SSD with Win 8 show in my computer. Win 8 is on the SSD. There are two Windows folders on the SSD: *Windows.~BT (this folder is hidden and in light yellow shading) and Windows
    I have Win 7 recovery, Win 7 images, Win 7 system repair disc.
    I backed up the SSD with Paragon yesterday.
    I have Acronis backups of the SSD - Win 8 and an Acronis bootable disc. I have my Win 8 disc, but can't find a recovery disc - may have never made one.
    Let me know if you need more.
     
  4. Macboatmaster

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    I would try and I am unsure it will work in the circumstances
    1. bcdedit /v
    on a cmd prompt with admin rights in 7
    at least then we will know if windows 8 is even listed on the boot manager

    2. The problem has been caused by leaving the windows 7 drive/disk connected when upgrading to 8.1 and then of course the change in drive letters
    although I do appreciate that it is a little too late now

    3. It may NOT do anything but I would try EassyBCD and see if you can rebuild the BCD however that of course depends on EasyBCD even seeing the 8
    Use the free one

    I have read what backups you have I am a little unsure how good you will find Acronis if you do need it

    Run the bcdedit and I will add to this post the EasyBCD link

    Here you are
    http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

    free one ignore the register now just click it and then go straight to download
    Here is brief guidance the rest is on the link

    https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/dual-boot/bcd-based/

    basically you open easybcd and see first what it finds, if it recognises both OS you are in with a good chance
     
  5. doggyofone

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    bcdedit /v showed only Windows 7.
    Windows 8 did boot after installing 8.1 update and then stopped booting. Somehow the boot instructions we damaged/removed in Win 8.
    Will give this a try. Thanks for your help
     
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    How many GUID does it show
     
  7. doggyofone

    doggyofone Thread Starter

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    Not sure what you mean. I created a Windows 8 partition on e with EastBCD:
    There are three Windows Boot Loader entries
    1- device partiton=C:
    2- device=partition C: Windows 7
    3- Device partition=E:
     
  8. doggyofone

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    The difference with the new partition versus Win 7:
    no inherit, no recoverysequence, no recoveryenabled, no resumeobject, no nx,no numproc, no usefirmwarepcisettings
     
  9. Macboatmaster

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    Sorry you are a step ahead of me it was my fault for not asking you to post the bcdedit
    the Globally Unique Identifier is the long set of numbers and letters on bcd

    I am a little unsure now how you are going with EasyBCD
    To save me a lot of typing you either need to work from the first set of instructions I sent but only if EasyBCD finds the 8

    OR you need to use this method
    https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/dual-boot/bcd-based/

    There are many options, but make sure before you rebuild that you save the present bcd as explained on the link


    Dealing with post 7 IF IT WORKED the O/S list should now have changed to reflect that - I mean the adding 8 on E
    If that is so and the O/S list has changed you now MAY go advanced to customize the entries OR you MAY be able to do that after in bcdedit on a cmd prompt - but the latter is NOT as easy

    https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/basics/advanced-settings/
     
  10. doggyofone

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    Okay. I did create a Win 8 partition. There was no Windows 8 when I opened Easybcd. No errors when created
    Here is what is shown in Easybcd:

    There are a total of 2 entries listed in the bootloader.

    Default: Windows 7
    Timeout: 10 seconds
    Boot Drive: C:\

    Entry #1
    Name: Windows 7
    BCD ID: {current}
    Drive: C:\
    Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe

    Entry #2
    Name: Windows 8
    BCD ID: {7b3c4aec-4a5d-11e3-bc3e-001a4d53b76d}
    Drive: E:\
    Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe

    I noticed that Startup and Recovery now shows Windows 8.
    I can screen print the bcdedit results, but can add to this message.
     
  11. Macboatmaster

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    BE CAREFUL with those advanced options
    Last time I used them I had to start again from scratch

    no need to print screen
    right click top bar of cmd window
    click edit
    click select all
    click top bar again
    click edit
    click copy
    and paste to reply

    Looking at 10 from Easy BCD and 8 now shown on startup and recovery 8 - 8.1?
    have you tried a boot - you can always go back to easy bcd

    DO NOT FORGET SAVE SETTINGS before you exit EasyBCD
     
  12. doggyofone

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    Wasn't aware I could do the cut and paste.
    Didn't do anything in advanced, just checked and saw the Windows 8 option

    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
    Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Users\Daddio>bcdedit /v

    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier {9dea862c-5cdd-4e70-acc1-f32b344d4795}
    device partition=C:
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {7ea2e1ac-2e61-4728-aaa3-896d9d0a9f0e}
    default {7a1ff550-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    resumeobject {7a1ff54f-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    displayorder {7a1ff550-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    {7b3c4aec-4a5d-11e3-bc3e-001a4d53b76d}
    toolsdisplayorder {b2721d73-1db4-4c62-bf78-c548a880142d}
    timeout 10

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {7a1ff550-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    device partition=C:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Windows 7
    locale en-US
    inherit {6efb52bf-1766-41db-a6b3-0ee5eff72bd7}
    recoverysequence {7a1ff551-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    recoveryenabled Yes
    osdevice partition=C:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {7a1ff54f-c0ff-11de-a086-ae84f4e2386b}
    nx OptIn
    numproc 2
    usefirmwarepcisettings No

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {7b3c4aec-4a5d-11e3-bc3e-001a4d53b76d}
    device partition=E:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Windows 8
    locale en-US
    osdevice partition=E:
    systemroot \Windows

    C:\Users\Daddio>
     
  13. Macboatmaster

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    See my last we posted together

    If you saved setitings in EasyBCD you look to me as though you should get a dual boot with default as 7
     
  14. doggyofone

    doggyofone Thread Starter

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    OK, will give it a try.
    Thanks for this great help.
     
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    Please do not keep me in suspense TOO LONG
    Hope it is good :):):D
     
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