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Raphaell

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I have an nVidia 8300 GS, which is a fairly decent video card. Not the best, but not too shabby. However, in all games that I play, I have to turn down the graphics just about all the way to actually get a decent frame rate. I have a friend with an nVidia 7900, and he gets probably five times better graphics than I do. I have all the most recent drivers installed. HP has been proving to be a pretty awful company, so I was wondering if maybe it was just their hardware that's bogging it down. If anyone has any idea as to why this is, or maybe even how to fix it, I'd appreciate it greatly.
 
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I think the 7900 is alot better that the 8300gs. Is his 7900 a GT? I've used a 8400GS and my 7800GT still beats the 8400GS. I know its kinda wierd. You'd figure that the card with the highest number would be better.

Did you install the latestest DirectX?
Just to make sure you have the latest driver for the card do this:
Start, Run, "Dxdiag", then under the display tab look for the driver date.

Other thing I can think of is maybe your computer's power supply isn't sufficient.
 

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I have the most up to date drivers, the latest DirectX and my power supply is working fine. Apparently I'm pulling at least 885MB of video RAM, yet I still get crap for graphics when playing games that recommend only 512MB. It's really starting to irritate me, actually.
 
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What kind of Processor does your computer have?
How much RAM do you have installed?

Either way I think the 7900/7800 GT's are better than the 8300/8400 Gs's
I'm saying this because I've had a 8400GS before.
 
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The first number in the nVidia cards is the generation of cards, the following tell you the performance in that generation. The *800 and *900 are the top of their age, so the next generation *300 and *400 are quite a lot worse. Also the GS versions are almost always the worst and cheapest versions of a model. If you want better performance, you'll need a better card. For recommended cards, we'll need some other specs. Searching for HP a6200t gives no useful results...
 
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I don't know which games you are planning to play, but I'd say you should get Radeon HD 3650, 3670, 3850, 3870 or 4850, OR nVidia GF 8600 GT, 9600GS/GT or 8800GS/GT. 3650 and 8600 prices scale up from under 75 $ and this would be the good midway http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150295, and the highest performance monster would be a 4850, costing at least 180$, -20/25$ rebate.
 
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With that graphics card, your system is quite well balanced for performance. But get this instead!!!!: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150260 Same card with free shipping and 20 $ mail-in rebate. ;) But I don't know about warranty, and the one you linked had "double lifetime warranty". So it's a choice between warranty and price.

You could also want to try the 8800 GS OC 384 MB version instead of the 8600 GT 1 GB. I'm not 100 % sure, but I think it might be a bit better.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150276 Anyhow, it seems to run noisy and hot.
 
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8300 Video cards are OEM cards, not sold to customers. Its a bottom-end DX10 card that is below the $25~45 8400 cards. It's not considered a gaming card unles such games were made before 2002.

Before you go upgrade your video card - you need to check on some things.
1 - What kind of PSU do you currently have in your HP? Open the side, give us the wattage and its 12 amp rating (16? 20?) HP uses 300~350watt models.

2 - What kind of games are you looking to PLAY and what res? Games are best at the resolution of your LCD monitor and of course at highest details. If you have a typical 21" monitor - you'll need something that can handle 1680x1050.

The 8600GT isn't a great card... for a few bucks more a 3850 card will smoke it - about 3x more powerful : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102715

Now, according to HP - your computer is this one: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...7494&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

Its rather low-end HP, came with Vista. A single core CPU that supports up to 2GB of RAM. The motherboard is an old Intel 945Chipset. Its not considered "upgradable" - but the black case is very attactive. But the included PSU is 250watts!! It will not provide proper power to any usable gaming card.

If you go on the budger with a cheap PSU - you risk damage to the new video card and the computer itself - or just shut-downs and crashing.

You'll need to budget at least $35~40 for a 450watt Thermaltake PSU or $50~75 for a good quality 550watt PSU that'll handle pretty much any video card you may want to use.

The 3850 card is way more powerful than your PC can push - but when you upgrade in the future - the card will be more usable.

I'm this way - I'm kind of blunt ;) No sugar coating. To reach enjoyable gaming with graphics like your friend or better - you're going to need to spend $150 or so on parts. The Pentium and Celeron CPUs are quite slow and there isn't much you can do about it.

You should consider getting a new PC in the future (after buying this 3850 & PSU) and transfers the parts over. Today's $400 PCs include 3-4GB of RAM, dual core AMD CPUs that'll making gaming a lot more enjoyable. You can sell your current PC (if its in good condition) for about $200.

Example: $430 2GB: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8885628&type=product&id=1212192194382 (unknown PSU - but most likely 300 watts) Or this one with 3GB and faster dual core CPU: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8830492&type=product&id=1207957307299
 
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If I'm not totally wrong, the Pentium in his current machine is dual-core. He said dual, and E2160, listed on the site you(Compiler) linked, is dual-core. Of course, that's not much of a performance processor anyways. If you(Raphaell) can afford the radeon 3850, get that instead of the 8600 GT. But, hey what do you(Compiler) say about the Geforce 8800GS 384 MB XXX?
For PSU (you'll(Raphaell) really need to buy a new one, whichever GFX you buy) I've been recommending this for a budget one, that is still good quality. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341012 30 $ after rebate for a 500W OCZ PSU. I'm using a 600W version of that on my system, and I'm very satisfied with it.
It's 15 $ more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341010
 
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OOps... Most HPs in that series seem to be sold as Celerons, its an older chipset. I have a E21xx CPU in my notebook... Its fine for an XP box IMHO. The 8800gs is a bit faster than the 8600GT - but might as well spend a few bucks more (like $5) for the much faster 3850.

Any video card upgrade would require a replacement PSU.
 

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Those Radeon 38xx series are not cheap though but have some impressive specs and can use DirectX10.1 and 320 stream processors.
 

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Actually, I think I'm still going to get the one I linked before. Those other ones are PCI-E 2.0. My computer doesn't have any 2.0 compatible PCI-E ports.

But yeah, that card does require 350 and my power supply is only a 250, so I guess I'll have to worry about a new power supply before I can use that card.

I can't really get all kinds of things to upgrade, really just the bare minimum, since I'm rather low on money at the moment, but from how it looks, with a better power supply and that video card I should be able to run all my games just fine.

(WoW, Oblivion, and Half-Life 2 all run fine right now with reduced graphics, but Black and White 2 is fairly choppy even with lowered settings.)
 
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