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[SOLVED] Slow PC from Cold Start

Discussion in 'Earlier Versions of Windows' started by Dogger, Oct 14, 2003.

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  1. Dogger

    Dogger Thread Starter

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    My PC has started running slow, but only from a cold start, if I restart it runs normally.

    I have gone to msconfig and disabled everything there one at a time, ( system.ini, win.ini, startup, autoexec & config.bat), none of this makes any difference. I have also found that pressing the restart button before anything starts to load also brings about normal working.

    One last thing, I cannot be certain but I think this problem may have started after a defrag with Diskeeper Lite.

    Does anyone have any ideas, please?
     
  2. ~Candy~

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    Hi and welcome. Definitely sounds strange. Can you post your startup items, start, run, msinfo32, software, startups, edit, select all, edit, copy and come back and paste.
     
  3. Dogger

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    Thanks for your response

    I 'm not sure if this information is in the form you want it, bur here is a startup list, obtained after a cold start.

    StartupList report, 14/10/03, 22:35:54
    StartupList version: 1.52
    Started from : D:\PROGRAM FILES\STARTUPLIST\STARTUPLIST.EXE
    Detected: Windows 98 Gold (Win9x 4.10.1998)
    Detected: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)
    * Using default options
    ==================================================

    Running processes:

    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\AVGSERV9.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\mmtask.tsk
    C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\ptsnoop.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\A4TECH\MOUSE\AWMMAIN.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RNAAPP.EXE
    D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CPCTRAY.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\ITOUCH\ITOUCH.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\AVGCC32.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\TAPISRV.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\SPYBLOCKER\SPYBLOCKER.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\TASKMON.EXE
    F:\PROGRAM FILES\HOT KEYBOARD\HOTKEYB.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\DRWATSON.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\STARTUPLIST\STARTUPLIST.EXE

    --------------------------------------------------

    Autorun entries from Registry:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

    CountrySelection = pctptt.exe
    PTSNOOP = ptsnoop.exe
    ScanRegistry = C:\WINDOWS\scanregw.exe /autorun
    SystemTray = SysTray.Exe
    LoadPowerProfile = Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
    Tweak UI = RUNDLL32.EXE TWEAKUI.CPL,TweakMeUp
    WheelMouse = C:\Program Files\A4tech\Mouse\AWMMAIN.EXE
    SecondChance = D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CPCTray.exe
    zBrowser Launcher = D:\Program Files\Logitech\iTouch\iTouch.exe
    AVG_CC = C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\avgcc32.exe /startup
    SpyBlocker = D:\PROGRAM FILES\SPYBLOCKER\spyblocker.exe
    SmcService = D:\PROGRA~1\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE -startgui
    TrojanScanner = D:\Program Files\Trojan Remover\Trjscan.exe
    TaskMonitor = C:\WINDOWS\taskmon.exe

    --------------------------------------------------

    Autorun entries from Registry:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices

    LoadPowerProfile = Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
    Avgserv9.exe = C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG6\Avgserv9.exe
    SmcService = D:\PROGRAM FILES\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE

    --------------------------------------------------

    Autorun entries from Registry:
    HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

    Hot Keyboard = F:\PROGRAM FILES\HOT KEYBOARD\HOTKEYB.EXE -minimized
    Greatis Screen Beagle =

    --------------------------------------------------

    Shell & screensaver key from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI:

    Shell=Explorer.exe
    SCRNSAVE.EXE=
    drivers=mmsystem.dll power.drv

    --------------------------------------------------

    C:\WINDOWS\WININIT.BAK listing:
    (Created 9/10/2003, 0:2:44)

    [rename]
    NUL=C:\WINDOWS\win386.swp

    --------------------------------------------------

    C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT listing:

    C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG6\bootup.exe
    set temp=c:\temp
    set tmp=c:\temp
    mode con codepage prepare=((850) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
    mode con codepage select=850
    keyb uk,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keyboard.sys

    --------------------------------------------------


    Enumerating Browser Helper Objects:

    (no name) - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADOBE\ACROBAT 5.0\READER\ACTIVEX\ACROIEHELPER.OCX - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3}

    --------------------------------------------------

    Enumerating Task Scheduler jobs:

    Tune-up Application Start.job

    --------------------------------------------------

    Enumerating Download Program Files:

    [Update Class]
    InProcServer32 = C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\IUCTL.DLL
    CODEBASE = http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/CAB/x86/ansi/iuctl.CAB?37881.1288310185

    --------------------------------------------------

    Enumerating ShellServiceObjectDelayLoad items:

    WebCheck: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WEBCHECK.DLL

    --------------------------------------------------
    End of report, 4,507 bytes
    Report generated in 0.753 seconds

    Command line options:
    /verbose - to add additional info on each section
    /complete - to include empty sections and unsuspicious data
    /full - to include several rarely-important sections
    /force9x - to include Win9x-only startups even if running on WinNT
    /forcent - to include WinNT-only startups even if running on Win9x
    /forceall - to include all Win9x and WinNT startups, regardless of platform
    /history - to list version history only

    Also a Hijack List

    Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.2
    Scan saved at 22:37:05, on 14/10/03
    Platform: Windows 98 Gold (Win9x 4.10.1998)
    MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)

    Running processes:
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\AVGSERV9.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\mmtask.tsk
    C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\ptsnoop.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\A4TECH\MOUSE\AWMMAIN.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RNAAPP.EXE
    D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CPCTRAY.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\ITOUCH\ITOUCH.EXE
    C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\AVGCC32.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\TAPISRV.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\SPYBLOCKER\SPYBLOCKER.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\TASKMON.EXE
    F:\PROGRAM FILES\HOT KEYBOARD\HOTKEYB.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\DRWATSON.EXE
    D:\PROGRAM FILES\HIJACK\HIJACKTHIS.EXE

    R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,AutoConfigURL = http://127.0.0.1:8080/proxyconf
    R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
    O2 - BHO: (no name) - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADOBE\ACROBAT 5.0\READER\ACTIVEX\ACROIEHELPER.OCX
    O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSDXM.OCX
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CountrySelection] pctptt.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PTSNOOP] ptsnoop.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ScanRegistry] C:\WINDOWS\scanregw.exe /autorun
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SystemTray] SysTray.Exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Tweak UI] RUNDLL32.EXE TWEAKUI.CPL,TweakMeUp
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WheelMouse] C:\Program Files\A4tech\Mouse\AWMMAIN.EXE
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SecondChance] D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CPCTray.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [zBrowser Launcher] D:\Program Files\Logitech\iTouch\iTouch.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG_CC] C:\PROGRAM FILES\GRISOFT\AVG6\avgcc32.exe /startup
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SpyBlocker] D:\PROGRAM FILES\SPYBLOCKER\spyblocker.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SmcService] D:\PROGRA~1\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE -startgui
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TrojanScanner] D:\Program Files\Trojan Remover\Trjscan.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TaskMonitor] C:\WINDOWS\taskmon.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
    O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [Avgserv9.exe] C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG6\Avgserv9.exe
    O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [SmcService] D:\PROGRAM FILES\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Hot Keyboard] F:\PROGRAM FILES\HOT KEYBOARD\HOTKEYB.EXE -minimized
    O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to filterlist (WebWasher) - http://-Web.Washer-/ie_add
    O12 - Plugin for .pdf: C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\PLUGINS\nppdf32.dll
    O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll
    O16 - DPF: {9F1C11AA-197B-4942-BA54-47A8489BB47F} (Update Class) - http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/CAB/x86/ansi/iuctl.CAB?37881.1288310185

    Does this help?
     
  4. Dogger

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    Of course, this is what you really wanted


    Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998
    Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=F:\WIN98 /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
    Uptime: 0:00:12:40
    Normal mode
    On "Z6M5L2" as "D.Bateman"

    AuthenticAMD AMD Duron(tm) Processor
    120MB RAM
    54% system resources free
    Windows-managed swap file on drive E (425MB free)
    Available space on drive C: 183MB of 964MB (FAT32)
    Available space on drive D: 913MB of 1056MB (FAT32)
    Available space on drive E: 425MB of 1045MB (FAT32)
    Available space on drive F: 793MB of 3068MB (FAT32)
     
  5. ~Candy~

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    Well, you don't have a lot of ram, and it appears your video is using 8 of what you do have, so that is going to slow things down for you when you have a lot of startups. For a test, start button, run, then type msconfig and hit ok...go to the startup tab and uncheck everything except for the scanregistry, systray and the load power profiles. Then restart from a cold start and see if that helps. Don't do anything internet related like downloading email ;)
     
  6. Dogger

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    Thanks for the suggestion, AcaCandy. I had already tried that but I tried again, just to be sure. No difference.

    I would have been surprised if there had been, as the problem seems to depend on something that happens before Windows loads. If I press the Restart button as soon as "Starting Win98" comes up everything is fine. If I don,t, The Desktop takes an age to load and when I try to load programs there is a lot of regular flashing from the HDD lamp and if I have System Monitor running it shows 100% processor activity until the program finally loads.
     
  7. ~Candy~

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    How about along with that, uncheck the autoexec.bat file from loading.

    I guess I'm wondering about the hard drive.......can you download some drive diagnostics from the manufacturer just to be sure it may not be the problem.
     
  8. Dogger

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    I have tried unchecking autoexec.bat and config.sys to no avail.

    I have been wondering about the hard drive too. If you think that is worth looking at as well I will do as you suggest, I will do as you suggest.

    I have to be away for a few days but I will keep you informed
     
  9. ~Candy~

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    I'd download the diagnostics. The only thing that comes to mind is on a cold startup, the hard drive isn't spinning yet, once it spins up and warms up, then it restarts fine......Do you have more than one drive per chance? If so, just for fun, you might try disconnecting it too, and the cdrom too.

    Another thing, if you have a virus checker enabled via the bios setup, turn that off too, and also the search floppy setting, I'm not exactly sure of what your wording will be if you have the option.
     
  10. Dogger

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    A quick update.

    Yes, I do have another drive, and I realised that the programs I use most, and the start-up programs were on that drive. As an experiment, I moved one of these programs to the other drive and loading that was improved, so I took the plunge and moved the others, and that seems to have done the trick.

    I couldn't see why the difference between cold and restarting, but your explanation that the drive is already spinning solves that one.

    Thanks very much for your help, I think you can mark this as 'solved'.

    P.S. The spellcheck function is a good idea, I've not come across that on a forum before.
     
  11. ~Candy~

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    Great! I had been racking my brain over that one and then a light bulb came on this morning :D

    Thanks for letting us know.
     
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