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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Deathblow, May 3, 2010.

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  1. Deathblow

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    My 7900 burnt out, and I need a reasonably priced ($50-$100) replacement. I'm looking at a EVGA e-GeForce 9400 GT (PCI-e 2.0, 1GB), on amazon for $58. What other cards fall into that range and would be comparable or better than what I have now? This system is 4 years old with a 300watt PS.
     
  2. BG-0

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    I would personally go for the 5670: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161319
    You can also fit a 9800 GT, slightly faster, into your budget but it doesn't have DirectX 11 support, is hotter and consumes more power, which your computer really can not supply...

    E: 9400 GT is pathetic compared to 7900, 5670 is a tad bit faster, I'd assume without checking, and 9800 GT is a bit more so but not worth the risk, IMO. You can break the new card along with other things if you try to use something too power hungry. Aand, of course there are better alternatives for better cards, but they go over $100 in price.
     
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    BG-0... he has a 300watt PSU, that is limiting.

    With 300watts... the 9500GT should work... but still slower. Or the ATI 5570 which is faster than GF-7900GT.

    PSU makes things tricky. And this is a PCIe system right?
     
  4. Deathblow

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    Yes, it's PCI Express. So the 9400 is slower than my 7900 even with more and faster memory?
     
  5. Compiler

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    Lets put it this way...

    The 7600GT is slower than the 7900. The 8600 is a tad slower than the 7900. The 9500GT is half the performance of an ATI 4670. (reason for this slight confusion is that finding a benchmark with ALL these cards is tricky... 7 series cards are hitting 4 years). More memory doesn't make a video card faster, but allows it to do more in higher res.

    A 1GB 4670 will never be as fast as a 512mb 4850. And to actually use the 1GB memory on a 4670 would still be horrible performance at such high rez & details.

    Here is a chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/Half-Life-2-Episode-2,770.html

    Note, there are 4 different versions of the 7900 cards. gs, GT, GTO, GTX (slowest to fastest). Yours is a gs.

    FPS - Card
    10.e - 9400GT (estimate)
    16.6 - 7600GT
    22.3 - 7900GS <--------- Your card
    22.e - 9500GT (estimate)
    25.4 - 8600GT
    25.6 - 7900GT
    30.e - GF 240 (estimate) = $100+ / 350w PSU recommended
    36.9 - 7900GTX
    41.4 - ATI 3850
    48.e - ATI 5570 (estimate) = $75~85 / 400w PSU (Why buy a GF 240 at $100)
    51.2 - ATI 4670 $62~85

    So the best card for the price ATI 4670: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cription=4670&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=50 The $62 (1st card) biostar has a nice big fan, but $7 shipping. The XFX is louder, but free shipping. The best card is perhaps the $85 HIS with its huge fan (I have this one) as its pretty much silent and exhaust ALL heat out of the case - which is why I buy these types.

    But you have a problem with ALL these cards... your 300w PSU was always underpowered. This Thermaltake is the cheapest PSU I would buy at $37 ($25 after rebate). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ermaltake_power_supply-_-17-153-023-_-Product

    So you can spend $37 + $70 for both items (both free shipping) = $107.00 Not bad. And you'll get more than double the graphics performance. By todays standards, the 4670/5670 are entry level gaming cards, go figure.
     
  6. Deathblow

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    Thanks for the info. I've had bad luck with ATI so would prefer to stick with Nvidia if possible, but I'll take it all into consideration.

    How about something like this?

    ZOTAC nVidia GeForce GT 240 512 MB DDR5 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video Card ZT-20401-10L

    by Zotac
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    List Price: $89.99 Price: $85.99
     
  7. Compiler

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    Huh? Guess you haven't heard about the many class action lawsuit against Nvidia because of defective GPU chips, especially for notebooks - which renders them useless, especially after warranty failure. (look up bumpgate ) Or the design problems they've had with Fermi/GTX 470/480 cards... the driver mess with Vista & the early 8800 cards, etc. Both companies have their ups and downs.

    I use both, I sell both. I get what is best based on the price<>performance. I bought my 7600GT because it was the best at the time. My last was an ATI... and currently, ATI owns the graphics market. Look at the 4670, its $65... almost 40% cheaper, yet 40% faster.

    Here is an article for you: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-geforce-gtx-480,2598.html

    Either way, you'll need that PSU or something better from Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec, Seasonic or OCZ.
     
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    Ok, so what's my best bet with the 300psu?
     
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    The GF 9400 or ATI 4350 both perform the same - give or take, with the ATI 4350 costing about $10~15 less. The 4550 is a lot faster than the 4350 and is good for 300watts.

    Low end review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-220,2445-4.html

    Going by the performance line-up I gave you above, the 4550 = 19fps. So its slightly slower than your 7900gs.

    The 9500GT is on the edge, typically 350watts. How many amps you have on the 12v rails? 18 or higher is recommended. The 9500GT is on par with the 7900gs.

    Running your 7900 most likely stressed out the 300watt PSU.

    Spending $37/24 on the 430w PSU will give you more options, your call.
     
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    Re-opening thread as requested.
     
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    A 300W pw supply is marginal in any case AND it is 4yr old. You are really asking for a problem/failure by stressing your pw supply to the max.

    If you are going to spend the money on a new card, you need a new pw supply as well.

    Think about it for a min or two; how long would the engine in your car last if you ran it at full throttle all of the time? This is what you are doing to your pw supply; making it work at or near it max rating.
     
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    Yeah, came to the same conclusion, especially now that it's over a year later. I've received a $200 gift card to Tiger Direct, and am going to be using that to do the upgrade now. This is what I've come up with:

    PNY VCGGT2405G5XPB GeForce GT 240 Video Card - 512MB DDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, HDMI, VGA(1.15 lbs)

    $79.99
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    OCZ ModXStream Pro Power Supply - 600-Watt, Modular, Dual +12V Rails, SATA, 80Plus(6.25 lbs)
    $64.99
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    2X Kingston 1024MB PC5300 DDR2 667MHz Memory(0.8 lbs)
    $33.98


    One concern is if that power supply will work in my case or not.
     
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    Board has 4 memory slots, and will handle up to 4 gigs of at least 533Mhz DDR2, and possibly 667Mhz, since the board is 800mhz. Here's a link to my system with it's specs : http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/5022/5022nv.shtml

    Was looking at this memory as well, but am not familiar with the manufacturer :

    Centon Dual Channel 4096MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory (2x2048MB)
    $39.97

    How about this card?

    MSI N430GT-MD2GD3 GeForce GT 430 Video Card - 2GB, DDR3, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), DVI, HDMI, VGA, DirectX 11, Dual-Slot
    $89.99
     
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    Case looks like a standard size, so a standard ATX PSU should fit.

    Do you have a 64bit version of Windows? If not then a 32bit version will not use more than about 3.25GB of RAM, so 3GB total might be good way to go.

    The GT 430 is just slightly better then the 7900GS, the GT 240 is several levels better. If we are doing the under $100 for the video card then check out the Radeon HD 5750: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516676&CatId=3669
    Thats based of this basic chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2964-7.html
     
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