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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by mojo50, Feb 12, 2005.

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  1. mojo50

    mojo50 Thread Starter

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    Everytime I restart my computer lately a message pops up in the corner saying that the virtual memory mimimum is to low. Can I fix this problem? Is it a problem that I should be concerned about? Thanks for the help
     
  2. Elvandil

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    What operating system?

    Yes, you should be concerned. Unless it is a "false error" you could have problems.
     
  3. mojo50

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    that does not give me much information. What should I do in this case. Any suggestions
     
  4. winbob

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    First check what your allocation actually is specified.

    Go thru Control Panel/System/Advanced, and check what values are set. Report back.

    Are you short on disk space????

    Virtual Memory is a Disk allocation. If you get short on space the allocation may not be able to adjust itself to the requirement!

    How much freespace is there on you C: drive?
     
  5. mojo50

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    15.3 GB are left on my c drive
    as for the part where you ask the values that are set I am not sure where I am to look :confused:
    sorry (there is a spot where it say paging file size it says: 384 mb each)
    Joanne
     
  6. safezone

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    To change you virtual memory size go to Settings...system...Advanced...Performance...advanced...then hit change button under virtual memory.

    I use to constantly get this message when i ran Everquest 1 with only 256 mb ram.When i got 512 bye bye went the message.

    This is with windows xp
     
  7. mojo50

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    I don't really understand what I am supposed to do here. Is that the right thing to do or just a quick fix
     
  8. safezone

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    Pretty sure that your paging file size (virtual memory) is suppose to be double the amount of your physical memory so if you have 512 ram page file size or (virtual memory) would be 1024

    Hope that helps
     
  9. demongavo

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    so this uses the pc's free space with the same effect as Ram??
     
  10. Triple6

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    Bascially yes. However you want to use VM as little as possible since its much much slower then RAM. I think you need to address the reason you're getting this message. You may need more physical RAM or you have to much running on your computer. Maybe its a virus or spyware or something thats corrupt.

    The Virtual Memory settings are in Control Panel -> System -> General -> Advanced -> Performance -> Settings -> Advanced -> Change. Set this to System Managed.

    Then download and run Hijackthis: http://s89223352.onlinehome.us/mirror/hjt/
    Select the Scan And Save Log option. Once the log is created take the log and paste it into your next post.
     
  11. blokey

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    Virtual memory is not the same as a pagefile. Windows and most modern operating systems use virtual memory, which is a combination of software and hardware (a memory management unit built into the CPU) to increase the amount of memory available. The operating system sees a virtual address space, divided into blocks called "pages", which is usually much larger than the amount of physical memory installed in the system. However, the processor can only operate on pages that are currently mapped to physical memory. A pagefile located on a hard drive is used to store pages that have been "swapped" out of physical memory. Therefore they must be swapped back into memory before they can be accessed, which causes noticeable delays. Increasing the amount of physical RAM in the system will mean that the operating system should have to swap less data out to the pagefile, thus reducing delays.

    There are no hard and fast rules to determine pagefile size requirements. It is generally safe to let Windows manage it for you. If you are not running huge applications or games, such as Maya or Half-Life 2, then there's a strong indication that there's a resource-hogging program running. One way to check is to open Task Manager, select the Processes tab and then Select Columns from the View menu. Tick the box marked Virtual Memory Size and then OK. The new column shows you how much virtual memory is allocated to each process -- it will often be far greater than the standard Mem Usage displayed for each process. Any process using a large amount is a potential culprit.
     
  12. winbob

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    Blokey,

    I can't really find fault with your statement above (and you know I tried :p ), but the very first statement is a little misleading to the uninitiated.

    The pagefile IS where Virtual Storage Page Frames are stored when not in use. As you stated, the code can ONLY be executed when "Paged In" to a real Page Frame.

    Likewise, the overhead associated with a Page Fault is ridiculous as compared to branching to an "In Memory" Address!!! In the original VS operating systems a Page Fault executed at least 2000 instructions, not including the I/O. Don't know what today's figures are...plus the onchip memory controller advantages. :confused:

    But as you mention it is the I/O that kills you!!! :eek: And remember AFTER the page is executed, if it was modified, it has to be re-WRITTEN to the Pagefile. :( Basically another Pagefault operation. :eek:

    That's why it was always said, "nothing good happens after a Page Fault!"

    But it IS better than what used to happen in Non-VS systems. The programmers that wrote a routine that was BIGGER than the available RAM had to write their own OVERLAY routines...a minor nightmare.

    I got into the IT business just when IBM went from the S/360 to the S/370 Processor Family, and dodged that BULLET! :p
     
  13. mojo50

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    here is the hijack report
    Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.0
    Scan saved at 10:19:11 AM, on 14/02/2005
    Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
    MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)

    Running processes:
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    C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXPPS.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
    C:\windows\system\hpsysdrv.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\ezSP_Px.exe
    C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
    C:\HP\KBD\KBD.EXE
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\igfxtray.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\hkcmd.exe
    C:\Program Files\Lexmark X74-X75\lxbbbmgr.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgcc.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgemc.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\HPINST~1\plugin\bin\PCHButton.exe
    C:\Program Files\Lexmark X74-X75\lxbbbmon.exe
    C:\Program Files\Sony Corporation\Image Transfer\SonyTray.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgamsvr.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgupsvc.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\PureLogic\Bin\PlAgent.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\PureLogic\Bin\PlAgtMsg.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
    C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    C:\WINDOWS\System32\wuauclt.exe
    C:\PROGRA~1\WINZIP\winzip32.exe
    C:\unzipped\hijackthis[1]\HijackThis.exe

    R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://start.shaw.ca/
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    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Microsoft Works Update Detection] c:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\WkDetect.exe
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    O8 - Extra context menu item: Translate into English - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmtrans.html
    O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - (no file)
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    O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\MSMSGS.EXE
    O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll
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    O16 - DPF: YExplorer1_8CA - http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/ocx/ca/yexplorer1_8ca.cab
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    O23 - Service: .NET Connection Service - Unknown - C:\WINDOWS\svchost.exe (file missing)
    O23 - Service: AVG7 Alert Manager Server - GRISOFT, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgamsvr.exe
    O23 - Service: AVG7 Update Service - GRISOFT, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVGFRE~1\avgupsvc.exe
    O23 - Service: LexBce Server - Lexmark International, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
    O23 - Service: NVIDIA Driver Helper Service - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
    O23 - Service: PACSPTISVR - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\Pacsptisvr.exe
    O23 - Service: Sony SPTI Service - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\Sptisrv.exe
    O23 - Service: VirtualTier Configurator Agent - PureLogic inc. - C:\WINDOWS\System32\PureLogic\Bin\PlAgent.exe
    O23 - Service: VirtualTier Messaging Agent - PureLogic inc. - C:\WINDOWS\System32\PureLogic\Bin\PlAgtMsg.exe

    hope this will help
     
  14. Triple6

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    How much RAM do you have?

    Have you set the VM to System Managed Size?

    You can check these to rmove in Hijackthis, it'll help a little bit:
    O3 - Toolbar: (no name) - {BA52B914-B692-46c4-B683-905236F6F655} - (no file)
    O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
    O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Microsoft Works Update Detection] c:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\WkDetect.exe
    O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Gamma Loader.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
    O4 - Global Startup: Image Transfer.lnk = ?
    O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
    O23 - Service: .NET Connection Service - Unknown - C:\WINDOWS\svchost.exe (file missing)

    And as mentioned press CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up Task Manager and look at the Processes. See if there's anything using lots of memory.
     
  15. mojo50

    mojo50 Thread Starter

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    Yes I have set the vp to system managed size
    I will remove the hijack files you have said
    I have 15.3 gb of ram left
    when I press control alt delete under processes there are a few things using about 10,000 to 17,000 k of memory. Should I delete them?
    Examples: explorer.exe 17,128k
    svchost.exe 11,696k
    iexplore.exe 27,336
    I don't even know what these are
    Thanks and waiting for your reply
     
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