Some Comments About The Internet Explorer 11 Browser

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When Microsoft ended mainstream support for Windows 7 SP1 in January 2020, it also ended it for its built-in Internet Explorer 11 browser.
The last security update for it in January 2020 updated it to version 11.0.170

If your computer is set up and configured to receive extended support, Internet Explorer will continue to receive security updates.
As of June 2020, it has updated to version 11.0.195

Regardless of all that, Internet Explorer is now considered to be extinct by a growing number of websites, so they are dropping support for it.
Because of this, you should install a third-party browser to use with websites that no longer support or work properly with Internet Explorer.

I greatly dislike Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge, so Mozilla Firefox is what works for me.
If I find a website that no longer supports or works properly with Internet Explorer, I switch to Mozilla Firefox.

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Mr. Newton

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I use Pale Moon,I turned Internet Explore off when updates ended.Firefox was my favourite but they changed for the worse so I switched to PM.I do have FF on my computer for those times when a second browser is needed.
Poor old IE:D
 

Johnny b

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I quit IE at 6. :D

Firefox has been my go to browser ever since.
On a Linux platform, I do have Pale Moon also, but seldom use it.
 

plodr

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It has been years since I used IE. I kept it patched but never fired it up.
Looking through the early years of FF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_early_version_history
I found a note I'd written about FF v 3, released in 2008. I'm not sure if this was the first version I used.

I switched to Palemoon when Mozilla started handing out new version every 4 to 6 weeks.
I fire up FF because PM doesn't have the codecs to play certain videos.
 
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I guess if your worried about security,privacy...etc,then chrome is not for you.
Personally i have had great success with it.
I have 3 other browsers as backups/fail safes.
FF,Opera,and Edge...All which seem to run great on my computer also.
Internet explorer has always been trash.I uninstalled it the day i got this computer.
If chrome does not run correctly on your computer (excluding privacy,security) then it's how you have your computer set up/modified..or something else that you have done that would interfere with the installation,performance or other issues with chrome.
I have had multiple computers,and have never had a problem with chrome on any of them.
As far as security goes,im extremely cautious of using my credit card,name,ss..etc..All my passwords are extremely long and encrypted.They are not even words but a jumbled mess of upper and lower case letters,numbers,and symbols.
As far as privacy goes,i could care less as i have nothing to hide.
To each their own.
 

Johnny b

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I've tried Chrome in the past.
Prefer FF, mostly because I'm simply more familiar with FF.
I've been using FF since it had a different name, Phoenix, version .7 as I remember.

I've tried out TOR on a Linux platform.
Slow. and the more I read of vulnerabilities the less I wanted to use it.

Same with Tails.
That reality.....not much different than booting Puppy from a DVD with a Tor browser. Or from a USB flash drive with a write switch.
And still Slow.

Keeping current security wise with what you use and safe computing practices go a long way towards safety.
 
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Tor wins.
But it also seems to get the attention of the FBI.

And then there is this:

https://www.bitlyft.com/tor-browser-is-it-safe/

I found it using the terms "tor last node flaw"
At first I didn't want to comment on this because I agree with you that Tor brings attention of police and who knows what sorts of government services, it doesn't really matter where one lives..

And also the "last node flaw" is well known one, nothing new.

*BUT*

How would you then explain Edward Snowden who recommends Tor browser?

I know why he recommends it, it's all under assumptions that user will follow the rules published on Tor site.
In which case neither "last node" nor any service or police can do anything to reveal who you are.
And in addition to these public rules, he also assumes user will download Tor source code, review it and build on it's own.

Knowing that, I still claim Tor to be the best here ;)
 

Johnny b

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And also the "last node flaw" is well known one, nothing new.
Even I knew of it :D
That's why I used those search terms.



How would you then explain Edward Snowden who recommends Tor browser?
How would I explain Snowden?
As a very knowledgeable computer expert that essentially gamed a security system by being a trusted employee.

I'm not a knowledgeable computer expert and I strongly suspect the overwhelming majority of home and office users aren't also.

Snowden was 'working' at a level of security beyond my abilities.
He may be seen as a hero, but he certainly wasn't a trusted employee. lol.

I can ask the same style question of you.
How do you explain the take down of Jong Woo Son (along with associates and site users ) who ran the largest dark web child porn marketplace, dependent on the Tor network?

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/16/7706...ore-than-330-arrested-in-child-porn-site-bust


Knowing that, I still claim Tor to be the best here
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll pass :)
 
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I can ask the same style question of you.
How do you explain the take down of Jong Woo Son (along with associates and site users ) who ran the largest dark web child porn marketplace, dependent on the Tor network?

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/16/7706...ore-than-330-arrested-in-child-porn-site-bust
If I'm not wrong there are more such grand scale cases for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

I don't know how to explain this, we can only assume they were under watchful eye for a very long time, and investigators only waited for them to make few mistakes.
I guess problem with large underground groups is that you can't "control" individual members all the time, just one mistake doer can destroy entry organization.
And even if all of them were hackers (probably very unlikely) there will always be those who are better at this, it could be they were just plain hacked, we'll never know all the methods that government uses to catch them.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll pass :)
No problem, I'm with you, the reason why I don't use it is that most sites will not allow registration via Tor.
 

Johnny b

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If I'm not wrong there are more such grand scale cases for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

I don't know how to explain this, we can only assume they were under watchful eye for a very long time, and investigators only waited for them to make few mistakes.
I guess problem with large underground groups is that you can't "control" individual members all the time, just one mistake doer can destroy entry organization.
And even if all of them were hackers (probably very unlikely) there will always be those who are better at this, it could be they were just plain hacked, we'll never know all the methods that government uses to catch them.


No problem, I'm with you, the reason why I don't use it is that most sites will not allow registration via Tor.

There is obviously much that will never be known in either case of the details about their security, why one failed and the other didn't.

Law enforcement was watching for evidence in one case but apparently assumed relaxed security of trusted Federal employees.


For me.......lol...all the complaining I do about politics and the searches I do, it would probably be better for me not to hide what I'm doing, since it's legal, than draw unwanted attention given the current mentality of the government.
I'm not afraid of the law, I just don't want them looking at me suspiciously. At least any more than they might already be. lol
And I found Tor to simply be too slow for me.

Interestingly, the Tor browser is built on Firefox code.
https://blog.torproject.org/tor-heart-firefox
 

Cookiegal

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Let's not get into a political discussion here please.
 

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