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The Big WW2 Cobble-up

Discussion in 'Controversial Topics' started by airborne17, Feb 26, 2015.

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  1. airborne17

    airborne17 Banned Thread Starter

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    During WW2, the US imprisoned 110,000-120,000 US citizens of Japanese ancestry living in the US, in uncomfortable shack-like concentration camps, In Hawaii, where there were 150,000 such US Japanese citizens, only 1,200-1,800 were imprisoned and that is where Pearl Harbour is !

    Apart from extremists, all German and Italian US citizens were completely ignored, to simply have a nice day, just because there were far too many of them.

    To my mind, if you are gonna do it, then do it, or forget it, but to mess about like that, picking here and poking there, causing suffering to many families, is unbelievable and irresponsible nonsense.

    Some sons of imprisoned families actually fought for the US in combat zones. Huh ! I am damned sure I would not have done. More like give the US two fingers and joined my family.
     
  2. valis

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    What is the point here? That you don't think second gen kids should fight for their country just because something stupid was done a generation prior?

    Or just bashing the US? The UK had internment camps as well, you realize.
     
  3. airborne17

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    The point is Valis if you care to read my post properly, is to emphasise the stupidity and unfairness in imprisoning US citizens in a haphazard random unimpartial manner, some here, some there, but oh dear there are too many of those so we will forget them.

    I am not going to argue with you Valis if you cannot see the logic in my post, it would be a waste of time and distraction from the main issue. AND Valis, if you care to remember some of my posts on this Forum, you just may see how much I have expressed my admiration for the US, or perhaps you never read them.

    This thread is extremely valid, providing the reader understands what exactly it is stressing.

    AND Valis fight for their country !. What, when their country has imprisoned their families just for having Japanese ancestry !

    AND Valis, I am not bashing the US, that is your pure imagination and refusal to accept criticism of your dear country.
    AND Valis, yes the UK did have internment camps, but we never interned families for their ancestry, only certified extremists.

    Like I said, I am not going to argue with somebody who completely misunderstands a post, but will be more than pleased to discuss it with readers who do.

    AND Valis, please refrain from assuming that a post is stupid ot mischievous just because you are unable to understand it. I am not in the habit of purposely making mischief. The Forum is for discussion of any subject, not a platform for a slanging match.
     
  4. valis

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    Never said it wasn't valid, no clue where you got that from.

    That said, the bolded parts above are what I have issues with. The UK most definitely interned due to ancestry. Most definitely.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a6651858.shtml

     
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    That was 70 years ago. Japan had declared War on America. Yes, there were some rash decisions made, but when your entire fleet was wiped out by bombing, you don't always think clearly.
     
  6. airborne17

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    Dear Drabdr,

    That comment is superbly put and everybody would agree with it.

    My point was about the random, haphazard, harshly and unfair way the ordinary Japanese Americans were treated, whist the German and Italian Americans were completely ignored. In view of your impartial and sensible remarks, have you anything rational to say about that ? I would love to hear your comments on why such a distinction existed.
     
  7. valis

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    Gotta ask where you are getting your data......

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Italian_Americans

    War sucks, there is no doubt about that. But the comments you are making are fundamentally incorrect.
     
  8. airborne17

    airborne17 Banned Thread Starter

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    If you say so Valis, i suppose you must be right and I am wrong. Nevertheless my comments still stand as written and I await some constructive contributions on the issue.

    Apart from that dear friend - no comment.
     
  9. valis

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    All I am saying is that your comments about Germans and Italians NOT being interned in the US during WW2 is not correct.
     
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    My comments about German and Italian Americans NOT being interned by the US is more than correct - it is fact.

    The only German and Italian ancestry people who were interned were those regarded as fanatics or threats. The other 60 million were allowed to have a nice day and cheer for whatever side they pleased. Can you imagine interning 60 million people - of course not and neither could the US Government. But a few thousand Japanese Americans posed no problem.

    Please don`t keep asking where people get their information from, it is generally called progressive education and knowledge which is accumulated intellectually from an infinite variety of sources and if it is wrong, then you have the option of correcting it with counter information. That is called a discussion. OK ?

    You see Valis, you keep ranting on about my comments being wrong, but you do not come up with counter information to prove your point. I am not interested in links, I could fill a post with links, but that is not a discussion, it is simply a reference exercise.

    So let us have a nice friendly discussion about the issues I have raised, in a lovely educated, civil and descriptive manner, then I am sure it will all turn out alright on the night.
     
  11. valis

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    All well and good, Airborne. No worries.

    Where the disconnect lies is you stating that Italians and Germans were not mistreated in the US during the war. The state of California has even apologized for it's treatment of German, Italian, AND Japanese interns......

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/23/local/la-me-italians-20100823

    All I'm saying is that there were a TON of people on both sides of the pond who were interned. That's it; that's the extent of my statement.
     
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    airborne17,

    I see you are continuing the pattern of not wanting to participate in these discussions properly by providing links to sources to back up your claims. This is what led to you leaving for a "break" a while back and if it continues then your account will be blocked from posting in the Controversial Topics and Random Discussion forums.
     
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    So as I recall the US apologized for the internment and provided reparations to those still living as well as their families.
     
  14. valis

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    Yup.

    Howdy GB.
     
  15. Bastiat

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    Howdy back at you.

    I may be traveling to Austin in the next few months doing some trial work (or Waco).
     
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